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[Phoebe]

Let's also not forget, patient zero in this case was a person who was able to leave Australia to go to India for a Wedding and then come back. Hardly seems like essential travel to me. Who the hell approved that?

Home Affairs. I have a travel exemption to leave at any time approved buy Home Affairs as I am Dual Citizen.

 

[Phoebe]

BLAME GAME: Dutton’s BRUTAL swipe at McGowan

Federal defence Minister Peter Dutton has thrown a harsh gibe at Mark McGowan while talking about WA’s COVID outbreak.

www.perthnow.com.au

Time for the Emperor to fall on his sword.

 

[playerguirong]

Easy. Buy 1-3 (someone may need more) handkerchiefs. Wipe - Wash - Dry - Reuse. Much cheaper than buy toilet papers.

 

[Phoebe]

Easy. Buy 1-3 (someone may need more) handkerchiefs. Wipe - Wash - Dry - Reuse. Much cheaper than buy toilet papers.

Hmmm .... NO........

 

[beachbandit]

Unfortunately this is the wake up call WA needed. Mcgowan is now being exposed for the first time and has hit panic mode. It was always going to happen. The feb lockdown over one case was overkill. This lock down is a complete farce. Huge risk of a statewide breakout.

Next few days will be interesting. Talking at work last night and general consensus is 14 day lockdown from last community transmission. Thats how the govt react to other states in same situation. I certainly hope not.

But yeah, realistically its all speculation .

 

[Hornyguyperth]

I'm disgusted by the amount of people I've seen online breaking lockdown.

Absolutely no morals, just pure selfishness

 

[sircurious]

As per Dr Norman Swan, the federal government need to:
1) accept the science and risks of airborne transmission of covid (N95 masks, etc);
2) step up with the national use of proper quarantine facilities and plan for expansion (covid, it's mutagens and other future viruses will happen here eventually);
3) start vaccinating at overseas Australian embassies and consulates prior to return flights to Oz.

The state government, while we have precious time, needs to:
1) Use rapid covid tests on people on the day of quarantine departure (day 14);
2) Further bolster contact tracing ability;
3) Further bolster hospital facilities, staff, etc (look at India, and look at our ambulance ramping times as an indicator);
4) Come up with methodology for a more mosaic approach to lock-downs, possibly suburbs or zones?

The public need to be educated to:
1) stay calm and not panic to go food shopping at the announcement of lock-downs (seems obvious, but people don't seem to get the message that we can still go out and buy food and toilet paper);
2) be vigilant with covid practices like using WA safe app, wiping down shopping trolleys, hand sanitizer stations, etc (the number of people walking past the QR code is astounding and only adds to contact tracing burden and risk of community transmission going unchecked)

Shops need to have:
1) Someone ensuring QR code registration

Covid and it's mutagens are here to stay, not to mention future viruses. Vaccines, like regulations are always following from behind the events at hand. Australia is still is it's safety bubble - thank goodness. We need to make the most of the time and learn from other countries experiences. To covid deniers and civil libertarians, have some perspective on our freedoms, the sacrifices we are currently making, and the extent of the sacrifice of the men, women and children affected by ANZAC. Lest we forget.

Some very good points there, but even with the best laid plans they can go awry. Take Singapore for example - they like many countries in SE Asia were greatly affected by the SARS epidemic, so to counteract future pandemics they constructed the National Infectious Disease Centre. This is a purpose built 330 bed (individual zero pressure rooms) hospital. However that facility wasn't enough to deal with all the infections that came from the dormitory style accommodation the imported workers were living in.

And yes here in WA we have become very complacent, Coles & Woolworths used to have people at the front of the store giving you a wiped down trolley/basket. Some of the staff were actually 'stood down' cabin crew from Qantas and Virgin, but they have obviously gone to better jobs. Crown have also become very complacent - they set up iPad's around the various venues for people to manually put in their contact details for those not using the App. This was policed by Crown staff to ensure you were not putting in 'Mickey Mouse' as a contact. While the iPad's are still there, the staff isn't.

I think the only business that has taken the issue seriously from the beginning and still continuing to do so is the three Uniqlo shops where before entering the store you have to sign in (on the App or manually) and also get your temperature taken. All staff are still wearing face masks and while this may be a normal in Japan where Uniqlo began, kudos to them for doing their part to ensure the people of Perth are kept safe.

 

[Puntaddict]

The amount of girls still working now is simply mind boggling too.

 

[AmeliaKennedy]

I'm disgusted by the amount of people I've seen online breaking lockdown.

Absolutely no morals, just pure selfishness

Me too

 

[sircurious]

SO FAR SO GOOD - NO NEW COMMUNITY CASES TODAY!!!!!

Attached is the up to date list of businesses that are deemed exposure locations:
Locations visited by confirmed COVID-19 cases (healthywa.wa.gov.au)

 

[Drinkwater]

Unfortunately this is the wake up call WA needed. Mcgowan is now being exposed for the first time and has hit panic mode. It was always going to happen. The feb lockdown over one case was overkill. This lock down is a complete farce. Huge risk of a statewide breakout.

Next few days will be interesting. Talking at work last night and general consensus is 14 day lockdown from last community transmission. Thats how the govt react to other states in same situation. I certainly hope not.

But yeah, realistically its all speculation .

The thing that worries me is the state government has not worked through scenarios and have set plans if there is a Covid test. Both this lockdown and the last one in February.

They've had over a year to plan yet there is still decisions made on the fly and changed a few hours later. Masks in cars, Perth people isolating down south (seriously how could they let people go down south on Friday afternoon, utter madness).

The blaming of the Federal government is nothing but a political smokescreen. As is the idea of using Federal resources. Even the Cheif Medical Officer says Northam and Christmas Is won't work. Covid cases need to be close to medical facilities in case their condition worsens. So why listen to the CMO recommendations when it suits them.

Long time since we've seen a good politician in this country, Federal or State, Labor or Liberal. Don't get me started on those standing on the outside ctaking easy pot shots like Norman Swan and the WA AMA President.

 

[Deleted member 49173]

Does anyone know how many people are innocently killed in car accidents each year in Australia ?
Or how many suicides there are ?
Or how many 'accepted' Influenza deaths occer annually ?
Or any other number of "normal life" Doctor mistakes ..
Of course not, you don't even give it a thought .. you haven't given it a thought for years I'd guess .. be honest now.
SO my qu .. what the heck is this Covid ACTUALLY all about ??
I'm damned if I believe it's about saving lives , coz that's the one thing these Polly Waffle elected imbiciles are NOT doing. Millions are dying ..
Yes, I'm widely open to a legitimate argument as to what Covid is all about .. but for now the lockdown seems a reasonable tact .. IMO

 

[peartywerty]

Home Affairs. I have a travel exemption to leave at any time approved buy Home Affairs as I am Dual Citizen.

Where did you go?

 

[Phoebe]

Where did you go?

Europe. And I can go back again.

 

[John Smithl]

Does anyone know how many people are innocently killed in car accidents each year in Australia ?
Or how many suicides there are ?
Or how many 'accepted' Influenza deaths occer annually ?
Or any other number of "normal life" Doctor mistakes ..
Of course not, you don't even give it a thought .. you haven't given it a thought for years I'd guess .. be honest now.
SO my qu .. what the heck is this Covid ACTUALLY all about ??
I'm damned if I believe it's about saving lives , coz that's the one thing these Polly Waffle elected imbiciles are NOT doing. Millions are dying ..
Yes, I'm widely open to a legitimate argument as to what Covid is all about .. but for now the lockdown seems a reasonable tact .. IMO

Fair questions, and they certainly do need addressing, but none of those are physically contagious.
It is likely that strain mutations will become more contagious with more severe symptoms and more widespread (note that children are now more likely to become infected and people that are infected have worse symptoms and after effects).

I guess it's about people taking more personal responsibility for their physical and mental health (and getting help sooner); and also their civic responsibility.

 

[Sexty8]

Does anyone know how many people are innocently killed in car accidents each year in Australia ?
Or how many suicides there are ?
Or how many 'accepted' Influenza deaths occer annually ?
Or any other number of "normal life" Doctor mistakes ..
Of course not, you don't even give it a thought .. you haven't given it a thought for years I'd guess .. be honest now.
SO my qu .. what the heck is this Covid ACTUALLY all about ??
I'm damned if I believe it's about saving lives , coz that's the one thing these Polly Waffle elected imbiciles are NOT doing. Millions are dying ..
Yes, I'm widely open to a legitimate argument as to what Covid is all about .. but for now the lockdown seems a reasonable tact .. IMO

I am confused by your post as you seem unsupportive when to me it is clearly about saving lives and allowing our already overrun hospitals to help the few who are infected rather than being overrun or running out of oxygen (India).
Yet at the same time you say lockdown seems reasonable.
So are you supporting lockdown and the measures to save lives or you have another option?

 

[Deleted member 49173]

I am confused by your post as you seem unsupportive when to me it is clearly about saving lives and allowing our already overrun hospitals to help the few who are infected rather than being overrun or running out of oxygen (India).
Yet at the same time you say lockdown seems reasonable.
So are you supporting lockdown and the measures to save lives or you have another option?

1, the lockdowns will help save lives.. absolutely .. here in WA that is, where we have one of the smallest sheeplike populations .. already isolated geographically anyway .. in the world. I support the MO. but Marky is well out of his depth , IMO .. ( separate discussion .. )
2, My only question is WHAT IS COVID ACTUALLY about ?? given that its clearly NOT about saving lives.. as the millions die needlessly worldwide.

 

[Paco]

Now listen up everyone! ....... Has anyone noticed that when we are not thinking with the little head we've been having intelligent, respectful, thoughtful discussions.
Don't tell the women.
STOP it immediately!! Bring back pussy talk!
This was a sneaky trick by Melody to distract us.

 

[Phoebe]

Don't tell the women.

YOU do know women can successfully multitask....

 

[Paco]

YOU do know women can successfully multitask....

That was a very clever, pre-emptive comment Phoebe! I would usually respond with 'yes , men do one thing at a time, but do it properly!

 

[John Smithl]

1, the lockdowns will help save lives.. absolutely .. here in WA that is, where we have one of the smallest sheeplike populations .. already isolated geographically anyway .. in the world. I support the MO. but Marky is well out of his depth , IMO .. ( separate discussion .. )
2, My only question is WHAT IS COVID ACTUALLY about ?? given that its clearly NOT about saving lives.. as the millions die needlessly worldwide.

"What is covid actually about?"
Minimizing the health, economic and freedom-of-movement impacts of pandemic viruses on the community, and protecting the vulnerable.
Yes, there are needless deaths worldwide, yet they aren't attributable to something physically contagious, so they aren't comparable in that sense.
Where they are comparable is the way focused and systemic effort can be quickly implemented for general betterment. Hopefully the learnings from the covid response will be applied to those other areas of concern. (Being realistic - I personally doubt it will)

Thoughts anyone?

 

[Phoebe]

That was a very clever, pre-emptive comment Phoebe! I would usually respond with 'yes , men do one thing at a time, but do it properly!

Really.... really... Men need instructions women dont..

 

[sabredog]

1, the lockdowns will help save lives.. absolutely .. here in WA that is, where we have one of the smallest sheeplike populations .. already isolated geographically anyway .. in the world. I support the MO. but Marky is well out of his depth , IMO .. ( separate discussion .. )

Sneakers McGowan is in full panic mode. He knows that if there is even a small COVID community spread the hospital system, already is big trouble (and something he promised to fix two elections ago), would collapse like a pack of cards. He also knows he stuffed up with ignoring the report stating three hotels were not fit for quarantine use.

He panicked in Februsry and he panics now. He is not alone in this either. Queensland, South Australia and Victoria are exactly the same.

 

[Paco]

Really.... really... Men need instructions women dont..

If all else fails ... RTFM !!

 

[Phoebe]

If all else fails ... RTFM !!

While the wife rolls her eyes and thinks silly men...

 

[John Smithl]

YOU do know women can successfully multitask....

Incorrect... stay on topic

Women Are Not Better at Multitasking. They Just Do More Work, Studies Show

Multitasking has traditionally been perceived as a woman's domain.

www.sciencealert.com

 

[John Smithl]

Really.... really... Men need instructions women dont..

Fallacy

 

[Mark_50]

2, My only question is WHAT IS COVID ACTUALLY about ?? given that its clearly NOT about saving lives.. as the millions die needlessly worldwide.

I think it is all about saving lives! but some of the instances you mentioned are effects of being human. People will speed, drive under the influence, try to beat that red light or simply be busy thinking about other things and not paying attention! Again we are human and we go through good times and bad times and it is extremely bad that someone gets to the point that the only/best way out of their situation in their mind, is to take their life!
Will these number ever be brought to 0?
I would love to say Yes! and we can certainly do more to help with better roads better mental health support, but accidents happen no matter how careful we are and sitting around talking about your problems doesn't work for everyone, so in reality I do not think those numbers will never be 0

Because Australia is so isolated at the best of times, people have not seen/experienced the devastating effect that Covid has had on other countries around the world. Yes in a normal situation our heath system may cope and you may have a high chance of making a full recovery. Overwhelm the health system and people will be left at home untreated, left in hospital corridors with minimal treatment which would significantly effect your chance of recovery while the few that are lucky enough to get a hospital bed and the full care still would have a great chance of recovery.

One thing that they kept going on and on about at the start of all this was "flattening the curve" and although I haven't heard it much lately, it still has to be true, small increase in patients and everyone can cope, but with a sudden increase and high numbers then the system falls over and can not give 100% care to 100% of the people
Hospitals in Perth are under strain each and every day without an outbreak causing an influx of people requiring ICU treatment.

 

[Paco]

While the wife rolls her eyes and thinks silly men...

Ba ha ha ... I work in a female dominated work place. All about equality .. till something breaks down! ' Ohh Paco, can you fix this , Oh Paco, can you undo that, Oh Paco what's wrong with this,
Naah, some silly men, some silly women... we're just people

 

[Paco]

I think it is all about saving lives! but some of the instances you mentioned are effects of being human. People will speed, drive under the influence, try to beat that red light or simply be busy thinking about other things and not paying attention! Again we are human and we go through good times and bad times and it is extremely bad that someone gets to the point that the only/best way out of their situation in their mind, is to take their life!
Will these number ever be brought to 0?
I would love to say Yes! and we can certainly do more to help with better roads better mental health support, but accidents happen no matter how careful we are and sitting around talking about your problems doesn't work for everyone, so in reality I do not think those numbers will never be 0

Because Australia is so isolated at the best of times, people have not seen/experienced the devastating effect that Covid has had on other countries around the world. Yes in a normal situation our heath system may cope and you may have a high chance of making a full recovery. Overwhelm the health system and people will be left at home untreated, left in hospital corridors with minimal treatment which would significantly effect your chance of recovery while the few that are lucky enough to get a hospital bed and the full care still would have a great chance of recovery.

One thing that they kept going on and on about at the start of all this was "flattening the curve" and although I haven't heard it much lately, it still has to be true, small increase in patients and everyone can cope, but with a sudden increase and high numbers then the system falls over and can not give 100% care to 100% of the people
Hospitals in Perth are under strain each and every day without an outbreak causing an influx of people requiring ICU treatment.

Well said, Mark