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Rochelle

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Lets just say politics is like sex, some premature ejaculated, some just can't come, and some just don't know what they're doing, some are just there for a rub n tug, and some just in for a quickie, and there's the sadistic mob. Technical term such as clitoris is not understood by some let alone Vulva, no it's not a car.
............and not ot forget politics/sex the 'unskilled' ones don't realise that they are rather useless and hang around for ever. They try to come and can't manage.......they use 'helpers' to make them come and stay (even if it is only by one vote)..............and they most likely have a cross around their neck and try to show the better way.........what ever that might be.........shame I can't vote ;)


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svengali

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Well, I am going to go out o a limb here and predict a Liberal win which will make the Malcolm Fraser versus Gough Whitlam wipeout look like a close race.

From the last debate and the press commentary after it it is obvious that the voters, the thinking ones anyway, have woken up to Rudd and simply switched off. It won't matter what he says or does between now and the election, his goose is well and truly cooked. How he or Labor thought he could fool the voters again I will never know - pure hubris.

I just hope that enough decent Labor politicians survive the massacre to put together an effective opposition then, hopefully, some genuine leader will step up and Rudd's missus can find him a job in her business.
 
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Farm Boy

obvious that the voters, the thinking ones anyway, never deride anyone who cast a legitimate vote or guess there motivation my wise old mate.
 

Langtrees VIP Perth 3

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Politics. A lot of tall stories from usually small people.
My father always taught me that you always have to honor your promises and maintain your integrity. Wonder what Rudd,s and Abbott's fathers taught them?
 

HappyPirate

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Tania Admin

I am of the belief that there will be a lot of blank ballots for this election. Normally I am a liberals supporter but I have no faith in any of this elections candidates.
 
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Tania Admin

My new reading adventure...........Markus Zusak "The book thief".
Just started but I am already taken by it and nearly half way through. One of the books you just want to keep on reading. To be honest I think it is more enjoyable if you have some connection with German history but it is certainly not a 'must'.

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I read this about 3 months ago, an absolutely awesome book.
 

homer

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............and not ot forget politics/sex the 'unskilled' ones don't realise that they are rather useless and hang around for ever. They try to come and can't manage.......they use 'helpers' to make them come and stay (even if it is only by one vote)..............and they most likely have a cross around their neck and try to show the better way.........what ever that might be.........shame I can't vote ;)


R.xxxxxxx

Be glad that you don't have to vote. lol...it's like watching donkeys humping donkeys. Eeyore kinda boring.

Definitely some hang around like a vampire suck the life out of the system and those impotent ones use helpers for sure...lol
 

svengali

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obvious that the voters, the thinking ones anyway, never deride anyone who cast a legitimate vote or guess there motivation my wise old mate.

Fair suck of the sav!! I am not deriding anyone. By "thinking voters" I simply mean those who are not "married" to any particular party and actually think about who to support before voting. They, after all, are usually the ones who decide the election result after the rusted on party supporters from both sides have cancelled each other out.
 

BigMike

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You know who can go fuck themselves? The undecided voter. Really, I think they're just low information voters. Because if you seriously can't decide, maybe you should do some fucking research... read a little. Weigh things up and pick a side you dislike the least. And if you have indeed done painstaking analysis and still can't decide.... don't bother voting because you're obviously a fucking retard.

People shit on politicians all the time but I think it's worth remembering - This is the best we can do.
Think you can do a better job?
Why don't you?
What's that? You don't want to?
Got better things to do?
... Ah I see.
 

Fudd

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...in my opinion, voters tend to fall into 1 of 4 categories.

The Zealots - these are the ones who will follow their party no matter what. Their party could screw the country and yet these idiots will blindly follow them.

The Greedy - these are the ones who want what's best for them and stuff anyone else. They are prepared to "sell" their vote to whoever promises to line their pockets.

The Morons - these are the ones who have no idea & make no effort to do at least a bit of research. They will listen to whoever makes the most noise & will follow that argument even when presented with facts.

The Thinkers - these are the ones who do not hold allegiance to any party, know that government is about governing for all AND will try & find out info about the candidates and their policies.

We may not get it right all of the time but we are fortunate to have a system that does work. However, we need to make sure it's not undermined by a select small group of individuals with their own vested interests. 
 

svengali

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That is a pretty fair analysis Fudd.

Sir Winston Churchill once said "Democracy is the worst possible form of Government apart from every other kind"

Sure it sometimes delivers bad results, as per the last four years here but at least we can now rectify that mistake at the ballot box and we will do it in a civilised fashion without the need for armed troops manning the polling stations and without shooting each other.

The biggest threat we face to our highly valued "freedom" (whatever that means??) does not come from politicians or from hostile outsiders. It comes from the increasingly bossy and intrusive "public servants" in their cushy jobs making up and enforcing petty rules and regulations. Think about the Tax Office which has powers Adolf Hitler's Gestapo or Stalin's K.G.B. would have envied and all the local Government regulations controlling almost everything.

This is still a great place to live but there is room for improvement.
 

Fudd

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Sure it sometimes delivers bad results, as per the last four years here but at least we can now rectify that mistake at the ballot box and we will do it in a civilised fashion without the need for armed troops manning the polling stations and without shooting each other.

...I totally agree with you on the main point above...people forget that we have no need to fear for our lives when queuing at a Polling Booth AND that the votes we cast aren't capable of being tampered with on a large scale (I'm sure the odd one may have slipped through). As I don't know your criteria re the claim of the "...last 4 years being bad...", I'll pass on that view of yours.

The biggest threat we face to our highly valued "freedom" (whatever that means??) does not come from politicians or from hostile outsiders. It comes from the increasingly bossy and intrusive "public servants" in their cushy jobs making up and enforcing petty rules and regulations. Think about the Tax Office which has powers Adolf Hitler's Gestapo or Stalin's K.G.B. would have envied and all the local Government regulations controlling almost everything.

...there are 2 points to raise here. Firstly, yes the level of (in)competence is on the increase. I spent some 24 years in both the State & Commonwealth Public Sectors (PS) and in the end I got so fed up that I took one of Johnny Howard's redundancies and left. When Howard cut a swathe through the PS from 1996 - 2001 (after promising no cuts....and history will repeat itself if The Imbecile is elected), the biggest problem was that it was not targeted. Howard's lot wanted the bulk of the departures to come from senior staff. However, what happened was that their "mates" they brought in to do the hacking fucked up and bulk that left were junior grade staff.

So you had an influx of new junior grade staff having to be recruited to plug the gaps. Here is the biggest laugh...they had to recruit as services had not been cut to cover these redundancies. Most were thrown in at the deep end and not encouraged or taught to think (scared of a back lash from Howard's mates) or encouraged to analyse what they were regulating. The sad part is that this batch moved rapidly up the ranks as the senior grade staff eventually retired (retirement packages with Govt super was worth a lot more than a redundancy hence why these folks didn't leave in the 1st place). So now you have this lot now in positions of influence & power....good luck. I haven't been immuned...I have had occasion to blast my old dept for some seriously stupid things they have done of late....and the sad thing is that it's like talking to a brick wall.

The second point is that, in my opinion, "...the biggest threat we face to our highly valued freedom (whatever that means??)..." is a media that is so tainted and heavily influenced by a couple of people, ie the same assholes who are involved with www.ipa.org.au. Access their site and enter 75 in their search field...their 75 point manifesto makes for some "enlightened" reading. If I had my way, ownership of main stream media would be encapsulated in the 4 Pillars policy.


This is still a great place to live but there is room for improvement.
...amen to that fella...I have travelled a bit and am thankful for how lucky we have it here....sad to say that we are progressively being dumbed down because of a few self indulgent farkwits on both sides of the political divide.
 
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Tania Admin

You know who can go fuck themselves? The undecided voter. Really, I think they're just low information voters. Because if you seriously can't decide, maybe you should do some fucking research... read a little. Weigh things up and pick a side you dislike the least. And if you have indeed done painstaking analysis and still can't decide.... don't bother voting because you're obviously a fucking retard.

People shit on politicians all the time but I think it's worth remembering - This is the best we can do.
Think you can do a better job?
Why don't you?
What's that? You don't want to?
Got better things to do?
... Ah I see.

Oh really. Well some of us have been following this election closely, reading the information, watching the speeches and are smart enough to realise that the 2 main party candidates are a pair of dicks and don't deserve a vote this time around...
 

Fudd

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...just in regards to the "donkey" vote (aka the informal vote), if you have had enough of the 2 main parties and intend to submit an "informal vote", be aware that this plays into the hands of both ALP & LNP in 2 ways.

Firstly, each formal vote you cast results in $2.96 (I think) being given to the party you voted 1st (or Ind if not aligned to a party) to help off-set election costs. Secondly, when a donkey vote is cast, it is removed and the number of votes eligible in a seat is reduced.

The main parties already receive a large chunk of money each time a 1st vote is cast so informal votes won't really affect them. However, it does have an affect on minority parties that get by on a shoe string budget at best. A protest vote given to a minority party has more of a hit on the main parties because they receive funding that otherwise they would not have received.

Secondly, if a seat has an elector base of say 20,000 electors, then if all votes were counted, whoever had at least 10,001 (after preferences) would be declared the winner. If, however, 5000 electors decide to submit a donkey vote (ie vote informally), then those votes would be removed and the majority would be reduced to 7,501. All of sudden the major parties don't need as many votes as they would have required had all electors voted correctly.

Just be aware that your vote does count.
 
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Tania Admin

I know, I know Fudd, and honestly I agree but like I said before its so hard when the big parties both have leaders I have no faith in. And the smaller parties really don't seem to have anyone that seems to stand out either...
 
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TysonAlden

I know, I know Fudd, and honestly I agree but like I said before its so hard when the big parties both have leaders I have no faith in. And the smaller parties really don't seem to have anyone that seems to stand out either...


I think One has to take stand who has good leadership quality who handle all the events if someone ready for that we have to support him/her but I don't think there is politics in that.
 

Fudd

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I know, I know Fudd, and honestly I agree but like I said before its so hard when the big parties both have leaders I have no faith in. And the smaller parties really don't seem to have anyone that seems to stand out either...

...I hear what you're saying Tania. I heard it a few times when I stood as an Independent in the recent WA elections. I was going to stand for the Senate this time round but after all the negativity by The Imbecile and the main stream media against Independents, I decided against it.

As an aside, there are a couple of online tools, such as http://www.abc.net.au/votecompass/, on the net that gives you some indication of which party closely matches your preferences. There are a few...
 

BigMike

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Oh really. Well some of us have been following this election closely, reading the information, watching the speeches and are smart enough to realise that the 2 main party candidates are a pair of dicks and don't deserve a vote this time around...

Yes. Really.

Sounds like you've made your decision. So you are not undecided. Congrats.

For the record, I have come to the same conclusion as yourself, so I won't be voting on election day.
 

Rochelle

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The right to vote.........wow it has taken the human race a few centuries to get it established. People fought for it and still fight for it. I think we (everybody living in countries with free elections) don't really appreciate the right to vote anymore. Let's face it....none of us is looking forward to the election and most of us (me included) have at some stage in our democratic career decided not to vote or protest vote. The so called democratic political systems established around the world are not my dream of democracy but at the end they are better than nothing and sometimes I think if we all would take it seriously (again including me) and make the most out of our right to vote we might be able to change something e.g. no leaving the political stage to some unprofessional clowns.........amen ;)


R.xxxxxxx

PS: I agree with svengali.......looks like the liberals will win.......sigh
 

BigMike

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In Australia you have the right to be fined for not voting. When you register to vote you are also registering to be fined for failing to vote.

Just because an individual chooses not to vote doesn't mean they're not taking this democracy thing seriously. It could be quite the opposite.
 
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Tania Admin

Apparently the movie is out now as well. Not sure if I go and watch it....the book was too good.

Books are always better than the movie. Though I must admit The Lord of The Rings was eerily as I envisioned it when I read it. But the other 99.9% of movies just don't cut it compared to the book.
 
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