Rochelle's old posts

[sunyun]

I read today in the West of a family whose son, while high on Meth killed both parents and a brother, and his sister is now in hospital with axe wounds to her head and neck.

Where are all the people pleading for mercy for that family from the drug couriers and their employers ? Did the two now in Bali have any mercy on their victims ?

Jail does not seem to work on a reasonable number of people - statistics suggest that about half of those in Jail will re-offend when released, and they will keep offending whenever they are out of jail. It becomes a revolving door for them.

Farmboy 2 - of course capital punishment works - I bet these two wont re-offend after they have been executed !
In fact, no criminal who has been executed has ever re-offended, how's that for a record !

 

[Happy2]

Farmboy 2 - of course capital punishment works - I bet these two wont re-offend after they have been executed !
In fact, no criminal who has been executed has ever re-offended, how's that for a record !

Unless you believe in reincarnation Then they don't offend between sentences but between lives

And yes the case you mentioned from today's west Should elicit the same outrage as the death of two drug smugglers is No it should elicit far more

 

[Obbie]

Shoot em !!

 

[funflyer]

Not blaming Just saying
I mean to be honest I have far more sympathy for the victims of addiction and their families than I ever will have for the dealers and couriers of the drug

I'm not supporting the drug offenders as they made that choice. But why feel sorry for the users? Didn't they also make a choice when they decided to use drugs? There is always personal responsibility in these matters!

 

[Farm Boy 2]

I read today in the West of a family whose son, while high on Meth killed both parents and a brother, and his sister is now in hospital with axe wounds to her head and neck.

Where are all the people pleading for mercy for that family from the drug couriers and their employers ? Did the two now in Bali have any mercy on their victims ?

Jail does not seem to work on a reasonable number of people - statistics suggest that about half of those in Jail will re-offend when released, and they will keep offending whenever they are out of jail. It becomes a revolving door for them.

Farmboy 2 - of course capital punishment works - I bet these two wont re-offend after they have been executed !
In fact, no criminal who has been executed has ever re-offended, how's that for a record !

Those against capital punishment say it does not work .ie capital punishment was in place and crime still happens so its a failure . this logic can be applied to all punishments

 

[johnlou]

Those against capital punishment say it does not work .ie capital punishment was in place and crime still happens so its a failure . this logic can be applied to all punishments

also non capital punishment doesn't work either just look @ the prison systems in Australia and USA , UAE has a punishment similar to capital and it works

 

[smarquin]

Capital punishment is a deterent. It may not deter everyone bcos some ppl willing to take risk. It definitely would deter me 100%. Imagine if there no capital punishment in some of this country where drug is grown n supplied or use as flight to other countries ? Same thing can be said why not we scrap prison ? Some may say it doesnt deter ppl from commiting crime ? Its foolish isnt it ? Maybe if we introduce caning for ppl who commit grafitti or burglary, ppl might think twice, i.e. Singapore no grafitti. While in OZ, Its easier to sit in prison for a few months being fed, tv to watch n with weekly pocket money then out on the street again. But the wound from a can will last a lifetime physically n mentally, you will think twice.

 

[Happy2]

The Singapore example maybe clouded in that It may well be the upbringing of the children, a respect of private property etc instilled by their parents and through out their schooling
Not just fear of retribution by the powers that be

But after Saying that if corporal punishment of a sensible kind was re established for the education (For the want of a better word) of ones own kids That may help in the upbringing of our own future Aussies

 

[Shaylee]

don't blame the AFP for the choices they made . if they didn,t do it in the 1st place for the quick buck then they be home with their family and friends .

Well said and I am happy that majority ppl can see this is not a crime what Indonesia government are doing it is their laws that they are enforcing... Yes it's horrible and sad and unhumane.. BUT they did actually commit the crime knowing our strong the laws are!

 

[smarquin]

Singapore is heavily state controlled. Parents in Singapore has lesser control on their kids as it has become more westeenise. You try spitting or throw chewing gum on street .. once upon a time chewing gum was ban. Once upon a time married couple would have parents living with them but this tradition has slowly fade so now the government reward couples in dollar term if their retired parents stay with them. It cost the state lots of money to provide nursing homes.

Malaysia, Vietnam n Middle East has canning too.

Australia discipline kids in term of slapping ? Its illegal. Few weeks ago Ellenbrook mother got charge for slapping the child in shopping centre. The child can even report to police.

 

[scarlett lee]

Sometimes there is no justice at all:
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A man police suspect was a mastermind of the Bali nine drug importation is living a life of luxury in Sydney while two junior members of his syndicate, Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, await the firing squad in Bali.

The man's lavish lifestyle is funded by a multimillion-dollar lottery pay out, which he won about the time the two young Australians, who acted as the local leaders of the syndicate in Bali, were being sentenced to death.

Former senior police sources said the man has previously been the subject of police drug trafficking investigations. He is believed to have halted his criminal activities after he quite literally won the lottery.

He is described in police intelligence reports as being suspected of high-level involvement in the syndicate that supplied the drugs carried by the Bali Nine mules. The syndicate is likely to have previously imported drugs into Australia.

The man now lives in Sydney and has escaped prosecution for any of his suspected criminal activities. He is believed to have won well over $5 million in the lottery several years ago, after the Bali nine members were arrested.

The extraordinary luck of the man underlines the rarely spoken reality of drug busts: those arrested are usually mid- to low-level players. More senior syndicate members ensure they are not hands-on and continue to traffic drugs once a courier or shore-party is arrested.

Chan and Sukumaran, who were dubbed by Indonesian authorities as the ring-leaders of the importation and who are facing imminent execution for their crime, have never revealed who they were working for, citing fear for the safety of their families back in Australia. It is possible that the pair do not know who were the ultimate organisers of the importation.

The pair had a low- to mid-level involvement in the trafficking for which they were convicted in 2006. Their roles included directing the Australian couriers in Bali.

Fairfax Media reported earlier this week that the portrayal of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran as the key figures in a heroin smuggling syndicate in April 2005 may have damaged their chances of a presidential reprieve.

Police have never arrested the suppliers, main organisers and financiers of the operation.

 

[Rochelle]

Alrighty, which part of H2? Don't tell me, his humourous tractor?

no it wasn't the tractor........and it wasn't hair style either

 

[Happy2]

no it wasn't the tractor........and it wasn't hair style either

My my What's the world coming too
A German trying to be funny

 

[Rochelle]

For me it is not black and white (do the crime do the time) especially when it comes to the death penalty. I don't support death penalty.
However......after 10 years on death row and the chance to turn their lives around they are now facing execution. Those two could actually be a good example for a successful rehabilitation in an Indonesian prison.

 

[Rochelle]

My my What's the world coming too
A German trying to be funny

 

[chibi]

Wow, I really thought fastest growing nail was the one on your big toe! That would explain all the holes in my socks!

 

[homer]

For me it is not black and white (do the crime do the time) especially when it comes to the death penalty. I don't support death penalty.
However......after 10 years on death row and the chance to turn their lives around they are now facing execution. Those two could actually be a good example for a successful rehabilitation in an Indonesian prison.

Try telling that to their president. The authority should know that these 2 are just bottom of the barrel foot soldiers for the assholes at the top, terminating their lives not gonna bring them closer to getting the top guy. Totally see your point of rehabilitation. The authority really needs to work on getting the bottom footing of that pyramid unstable, ie. rehab or other form of incentives to really rock the organisation. Instead spending $ and publicity telling people they are tough on this kind of crime, they need to go to the root of the problem. Trimming the branches will just not help at all.

 

[homer]

no it wasn't the tractor........and it wasn't hair style either

Can I or should I say that's too much info?

 

[johnlou]

i am so tired of all the crap surrounding this. they both new the risks involved and they went ahead any-way , it wasn't the 1st time for them but the second as they were lucky enough , not to be caught the 1st time . the king pins will never be caught in Indonesia, because money talks and bullshit walks . the powers to be get rich from the kingpins .

 

[Bee]

I accept what these 2 did was wrong and for which they will pay the price ...Indonesia has its laws. Andrew and Myuran chose to smuggle drugs and were part of a drug syndicate ..they became greedy and so on ....We have all seen the horror of drug addiction and the destruction of families and a very sour side of this in our society and I honestly can say I have experienced the loss of family and friends to drugs and the lifestyle.

However I simply feel sadness at this execution and I sense the fear and complete gut wrenching grief their families are enduring...it is not helped with the media attention . To those who say "if they had not been caught they would still be dealing/supplying etc" Yes they may have or they may have not. But whilst in jail they have done NOTHING but show generosity and kindness to their fellow inmates ..they have known they will die but they didn't stop the fight ..they made a choice to do good and yes I can say I have been there and worked in that prison too AND yes I saw two dedicated men . They acknowledged their wrong ...we have seen all the comments There will always be many sides and opinions . BUT I still feel sadness as a fellow human being for me ... this is just wrong .

"Once more into the fray
Into the last fight I know.
Live or die on this day
Live or die on this day ."

 

[Bee]

Try telling that to their president. The authority should know that these 2 are just bottom of the barrel foot soldiers for the assholes at the top, terminating their lives not gonna bring them closer to getting the top guy. Totally see your point of rehabilitation. The authority really needs to work on getting the bottom footing of that pyramid unstable, ie. rehab or other form of incentives to really rock the organisation. Instead spending $ and publicity telling people they are tough on this kind of crime, they need to go to the root of the problem. Trimming the branches will just not help at all.

very true Homer !!!

 

[Bee]

i am so tired of all the crap surrounding this. they both new the risks involved and they went ahead any-way , it wasn't the 1st time for them but the second as they were lucky enough , not to be caught the 1st time . the king pins will never be caught in Indonesia, because money talks and bullshit walks . the powers to be get rich from the kingpins .

Yes it does !!!

 

[Rochelle]

well just a last comment.......and this is not about the right or wrong of executing the two.
What the Indonesian authorities have shown the last days leading up to the transport to execution island including the logistic of the transport this morning is one big "F--k you Australia".
I m usually not on the liberal side but in regards of the the last few days I have to agree with Abbott and Bishop.

 

[johnlou]

no one likes to be bullied , and that's what it seems to the Indonesians , Australia bullying them into clemency .

 

[Farm Boy 2]

well just a last comment.......and this is not about the right or wrong of executing the two.
What the Indonesian authorities have shown the last days leading up to the transport to execution island including the logistic of the transport this morning is one big "F--k you Australia".
I m usually not on the liberal side but in regards of the the last few days I have to agree with Abbott and Bishop.

The ALP are on the same song as is practical everyone .

 

[Zeus]

Reminds me of the last known video of Saddam Hussein's cat

 

[homer]

well just a last comment.......and this is not about the right or wrong of executing the two.
What the Indonesian authorities have shown the last days leading up to the transport to execution island including the logistic of the transport this morning is one big "F--k you Australia".
I m usually not on the liberal side but in regards of the the last few days I have to agree with Abbott and Bishop.

Your so right, it is the "take your Clemency plea and shove it up where the sun don't shine, Mr Abbott" kind of reply from the Indonesian authorities....

Execution is definitely a convenient way of pushing the BS aside. Making examples of people is what they are doing here. But not a solution to a wider problem.

 

[Dallas]

I agree Rochelle, I think they should be spared because the Indonesian Government have shown that they believe in rehabilitation and these two have shown it too. So what's the point of executing them after 10 years, and what incentive will it give to others on death row to rehabilitate? I'd rather see the death penalty given to rapists who seem to get off too lightly and often re offend.

My question to myself is, could I execute these two guys myself for what the've done? and the answer is no, so I couldn't support a Government that holds them prisoner and unable to re offend, to do it. If they were rapists or paedophiles, sure give me a gun and I'll do it now.

 

[homer]

You missed the point Dallas. The point is, "Do not mess with the Indonesian authorities." because they are that tough on crims...yes they are.

 

[Happy2]

One of things that get me Is if you commit a capital crime abroad you will have assistance from on high
If your homeless in our own country and only want something basic like a roof over your head Look out for yourself No one wants to know you

As for death penalty for rape etc and rehab for others You either have a death penalty or not Not getting over selective Probably put that badly

Personally I am anti death penalty Dont take what you can't return or compensate
I'm sure Mallard and Button in Perth would agree