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sabrina19
I too have been discussing these issues with clients and they appeared to be alittle perplexed,didnt have much understanding of the consequences or implications this bill carries.
WA Porter has made enough amendments to get this bill passed
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chris.shiherlis
Silver Member
I am one of them, so perplexed about the consequences and implications of this bill, unbelievable!!!
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sabrina19
All I can say is no ladies will be able to work privately if this bill passes,any ladies or clients getting caught will face huge fines or imprisonment,thus is why we are rallying together against this as neither us private ladies or agency-inhouse ladies are criminals but if Porter has his way we will be.At the moment we are ok my darling at least until this bill is made lawxx
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Claudia Michaels
The Bill will not be presented until after Christmas.
This means we have time to organise ourselves and campaign properly.
This means we have time to organise ourselves and campaign properly.
Sensual ~ Vanessa
Gold Member
That is the best news I've heard all week 
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Having more time is awesome !
Do you have a link with this info, is it in writing somewhere ?
.Having more time is awesome !
Do you have a link with this info, is it in writing somewhere ?
....interesting......if that is the case, the first sitting date of the Legislative Assembly after Xmas is 21 Feb 2012.
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Tara Taylor
Have been trying to bring people around for ages. Power of positive thought.
i think we will be safe.
time will tell.
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RICHIE2012
That is the best news I've heard all week
Having more time is awesome !
Hi Vanessa
I urge and your friends to not let this news and the additional time it gives to you, to slip through your fingers. Most of us are good at deadlines but terrible when we have too much time on our side. You need to maximise your usage of the respite that has been given so that you can make an impression on the powers that be. Good luck.
The bill was bought up in the party rooms today and not enough liberals supported it so it has gone back for a rewrite. It is very important that we keep lobbying and try to find solutions to the things we do not like.
Even though the bill is presented in a hostile manner most points are not so bad, we need them to allow genuine privates to work in residential areas (without council approval)with a clause if the body corporate or a neighbor complains the operator must move and have her advertising number suspended.
If we can achieve this escorts need to be included in the bill as part of sex work and allowed.
We need to change the mobile phone number rule, and the full registration of privates.
Some form of registration will be needed to have a advertising number. I would suggest that private operators have to apply for a advertising number rather than register as a sex worker.
Some form of rules will have to apply, like three strikes and she is banned. To get the government to allow privates in residential, I believe you will have to give up working two ladies to an apartment, and offer a strictly one girl one apartment system.They are more likely to compromise on a strictly one girl to an apartment than two in residential areas.
Even though the bill is presented in a hostile manner most points are not so bad, we need them to allow genuine privates to work in residential areas (without council approval)with a clause if the body corporate or a neighbor complains the operator must move and have her advertising number suspended.
If we can achieve this escorts need to be included in the bill as part of sex work and allowed.
We need to change the mobile phone number rule, and the full registration of privates.
Some form of registration will be needed to have a advertising number. I would suggest that private operators have to apply for a advertising number rather than register as a sex worker.
Some form of rules will have to apply, like three strikes and she is banned. To get the government to allow privates in residential, I believe you will have to give up working two ladies to an apartment, and offer a strictly one girl one apartment system.They are more likely to compromise on a strictly one girl to an apartment than two in residential areas.
My guess is a Troll.
Gathering intel on this site and the people using it.
Or a god bothering bigotted zealot.
The best friend of Jesus Christ was Mary Magdalene who was a prostitute.
Thats one reason why its called the oldest profession.
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Sensual ~ Vanessa
Gold Member
This is true, its easy to get complacent with more time.
Happy2
Legend Member
Mr Fudd As you rightly point out Constable is a Liberal in all but name But there
is still a chance she wont vote for this legislation because she is on record as saying
She would only vote for it if Ten years after implementation of the act Prostitution was outlawed totally
is still a chance she wont vote for this legislation because she is on record as saying
She would only vote for it if Ten years after implementation of the act Prostitution was outlawed totally
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Claudia Michaels
The meeting a group of the private girls had yesterday was just fantastic. It wad an absolute pleasure for me to spend time with strong, intelligent, fascinating, professional, warm and supportive women, one of the best experiences I've had since coming to Perth. Having met them I really believe we can achieve something with all this. Thankyou ladies, I will be in touch today.
....interesting......if that is the case, the first sitting date of the Legislative Assembly after Xmas is 21 Feb 2012.
Fudd
....just by way of background, the WA Electoral Commission has announced that the next State elections must be held between the following date range:
Not before: 23 June 2012
Not after: 04 May 2013
If I was a betting man, I would bet on it being held sometime around Oct or Nov 2012.
Fudd.
off topic I know, but Mary Magdalene was NOT a prostitute.
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The whole story of Mary as a prostitute, who is fallen and redeemed, is a very powerful image of redemption a signal that no matter how low one has fallen, one can be redeemed.
Powerful as this image may be, it is not the story of Mary Magdalene. Mary Magdalene is mentioned in each of the four gospels in the New Testament, but not once does it mention that she was a prostitute or a sinner. At some point Mary Magdalene became confused with two other women in the Bible: Mary, the sister of Martha, and the unnamed sinner from Luke's gospel (7:36-50) both of whom wash Jesus' feet with their hair. In the 6th Century, Pope Gregory the Great made this assumption official by declaring in a sermon that these three characters were actually the same person: Mary Magdalene, repentant saint. The Catholic Church did later declare that Mary Magdalene was not the penitent sinner, but this was not until 1969. After so long the reputation still lingers.
Amy
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The whole story of Mary as a prostitute, who is fallen and redeemed, is a very powerful image of redemption a signal that no matter how low one has fallen, one can be redeemed.
Powerful as this image may be, it is not the story of Mary Magdalene. Mary Magdalene is mentioned in each of the four gospels in the New Testament, but not once does it mention that she was a prostitute or a sinner. At some point Mary Magdalene became confused with two other women in the Bible: Mary, the sister of Martha, and the unnamed sinner from Luke's gospel (7:36-50) both of whom wash Jesus' feet with their hair. In the 6th Century, Pope Gregory the Great made this assumption official by declaring in a sermon that these three characters were actually the same person: Mary Magdalene, repentant saint. The Catholic Church did later declare that Mary Magdalene was not the penitent sinner, but this was not until 1969. After so long the reputation still lingers.
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Reggie
I know this is off topic, sorry, but I recently saw a doco that said Mary Magdalene was pretty much made a prostitute by the church early on in Christianity because it was a concern to them that there was such a powerful female figure. At the time of Jesus she was considered his closest confidant and therefore pretty much would have been considered the number 2 in the church and that would never do. Not to mention the rumours of her being Mrs Christ.
CuriousVirgin
Bronze Member
Claudia, if you haven't done so already, it may be worth forwarding your analysis to The West Australian and other media outlets. If the definitions are as vague as you indicate, then I could see them raising a lot of concerns with the general public.
These points in particular should raise concerns for everyone. If the definition is that vague, then pretty much any encounter between two people, were one person pays for something, then they proceed to go anywhere private would be grounds for the police to enter that location.
I mean I can just see it: "Yes your Honour. The young lady was, in our expert opinions, far too attractive be romantically involved with the defendant. As he paid for the meal and gave her a gift, we suspected it was an act of prostitution. We followed them back to his residence and executed a search, in accordance with the Act."
Something that confuses me is, if the whole purpose of this is to shut-down 'backyard brothels' that are causing problems for the neighbours and exploiting overseas girls, then shouldn't existing laws take care of it? If I was to start running any sort of business out of my home that had customers causing hassles for my neighbours, don't existing council by-laws cover that sort of thing? And shouldn't visa rules cover the illegal sex trade aspects?
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Holford
Gold Member
Today's West had some letters that were in favour and made sense, the negative which was so stuck in cliches and stereotypes obviously by religious biased person or group. The same letter is continually printed. Would seem the misinformed have the biggest say.
As people have mentioned these new laws are more serious than the spin makes out and serious lobbying is required. The hot stuff 900 person seems to have a similar issue in not understanding the industry and it's people either. I would prefer women to be independent and self sexually aware than confined to false social conventions and stereotypes driven by religious groups. Why is everyone so afraid of sex and accept all forms of violence and power broking greed, which is far worse for the community.
As people have mentioned these new laws are more serious than the spin makes out and serious lobbying is required. The hot stuff 900 person seems to have a similar issue in not understanding the industry and it's people either. I would prefer women to be independent and self sexually aware than confined to false social conventions and stereotypes driven by religious groups. Why is everyone so afraid of sex and accept all forms of violence and power broking greed, which is far worse for the community.
svengali
Foundation Member
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Something that confuses me is, if the whole purpose of this is to shut-down 'backyard brothels' that are causing problems for the neighbours and exploiting overseas girls, then shouldn't existing laws take care of it? If I was to start running any sort of business out of my home that had customers causing hassles for my neighbours, don't existing council by-laws cover that sort of thing? And shouldn't visa rules cover the illegal sex trade aspects?[/QUOTE]
Yes, they can and in the past it has happened but it usually takes multiple complaints from neighbours before any action is taken. I believe this is one aspect of the current situation which needs to be addressed but not by banning all sex work in residential areas. It would also be nice if the new laws could elimiate pimps and other hangers-on from the equation.
This is one of our problems - There is a lot that is wrong about how the sex industry operates at present and some legal framework is needed. The trouble is that the religious zealots have siezed on these problems as a way of trying to legislate a good part of industry out of existence.
I still believe our best hope is that if the debate keeps generating heat the Government will back off. They won't want this issue hanging around their necks in the run-up to an election so keep the pressure on.
Something that confuses me is, if the whole purpose of this is to shut-down 'backyard brothels' that are causing problems for the neighbours and exploiting overseas girls, then shouldn't existing laws take care of it? If I was to start running any sort of business out of my home that had customers causing hassles for my neighbours, don't existing council by-laws cover that sort of thing? And shouldn't visa rules cover the illegal sex trade aspects?[/QUOTE]
Yes, they can and in the past it has happened but it usually takes multiple complaints from neighbours before any action is taken. I believe this is one aspect of the current situation which needs to be addressed but not by banning all sex work in residential areas. It would also be nice if the new laws could elimiate pimps and other hangers-on from the equation.
This is one of our problems - There is a lot that is wrong about how the sex industry operates at present and some legal framework is needed. The trouble is that the religious zealots have siezed on these problems as a way of trying to legislate a good part of industry out of existence.
I still believe our best hope is that if the debate keeps generating heat the Government will back off. They won't want this issue hanging around their necks in the run-up to an election so keep the pressure on.
Crawl back under your rock tosser.
Take a firm grip with mrs palmer and wank away.
You obviously have no idea about what this forum and this particular thread are about.
Total waste of space.
You must have to practice to be as stupid as you appear, no one could have been born that way.
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Claudia Michaels
I do intend to put forward some stuff to the media because I completely agree with you that the general public should be concerned. There is some very serious misleading happening in the Attorney's General's spin.
The definition appears designed to stop loopholes associated with massage parlours and dating sites, but in doing so incorporates nearly every sexual interaction between two parties. Coupled with the powers of enforcement officials there is nothing stopping a police officer storming onto a premise while a family is having dinner and accusing one of the adults of being involved with prostitution or harassing individuals in the street.
The health and drug management is largely window dressing, but more than that, from a community perspective, if the industry is driven underground any of the protections will be irrelevant anyway. If individuals start operating outside the law then they will provide services outside the law and on top of that if something happens they will not be able to seek the protection of the law without exposing themselves and given the draconian nature of the penalties they are unlikely to do so. I see a rise in 'natural' services that increase the risk of transfer of STIs.
The problem really is that they haven't looked at the impact of the legislation in a collective sense - while one section alone may achieve something they want, coupled with another section it has a counteractive effect - nor given consideration to just how clever this industry is at operating outside the law. For example, their draconian approach to getting the sex industry out of residential areas is OK, but coupled with making it impossible for the professional private workers to operate, all they are achieving is to drive out the more positive side of the industry and leave a greater amount of clientele for sex trafficking cartels. Ultimately that will mean just as much happening in residential areas and not desirably, either.
Where I think this is particularly bad is that it exposes the complete lack of consultation with the industry. These problems were highlighted to the government in our original submission and ignored so they have no excuse. It is precisely the same as what happened with the 'hoon laws' and probably most Western Australians remember what a disaster that all was. If anything this legislation shows that they have NO understanding of the sex industry.
As for your question on why issues aren't dealt with at the moment when they could be, there is a threefold problem in the way. First, the chain of command to dealing with the problem is not entirely clear: is it Council, police or government Department who can act? This legislation seeks to hand over near total power to the police and state government to rectify that issue. Second, by the time the process for dealing with an issue has been completed, generally the people involved have gotten wind and moved on. This legislation gives police (and other enforcement officials) powers to act almost instantly. I can see their logic in that, but the problem is that they've gone too far and will create more problems for themselves, and they fail to appreciate that the very reason most dodgy places find out in advance of being tackled now is because they have corrupt police officers feeding them information, which isn't going to change. Once again a complete lack of understanding of the industry. The third issue is that they don't have the resources. That is why they are now going to direct licensing fees to an Account for administration and enforcement of the legislation. That I don't actually disagree with; I do disagree with spinning it to the public that that Account will be used to help people exit the industry.
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Claudia Michaels
I was perusing the WA Electoral Commission website and it seems Parliament has passed a Bill such that General Elections will be held on the second Saturday in March in 2013. So my understanding is that the next election is 9 March 2013.
...thanks for the heads up Claudia. I didn't spot that the Electoral and Constitutional Amendment Bill 2011 had only just been passed. At least we now know that we face a full state general election (both houses of parliament) on the second Saturday of every 4th year.
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Claudia Michaels
...thanks for the heads up Claudia. I didn't spot that the Electoral and Constitutional Amendment Bill 2011 had only just been passed. At least we now know that we face a full state general election (both houses of parliament) on the second Saturday of every 4th year.
Fudd
Yes indeed. It is a system that has worked very well in Victoria so I think everyone will find the set date preferable.
Hornyball
Silver Member
Can't believe the govt has to go through this whole process because of the slack, lazy and incompetitant authorities not being able to deal with the illegal brothels and immigrant workers under the normal containment laws. If they did there job right there would be no need for this.
Also seems religious people are taking an opportunity to shut the industry down.
Also seems religious people are taking an opportunity to shut the industry down.