Mandatory contact/customer register for beauty and personal care businesses...

[John Smithl]

Most shops that I talk to will be doing the hand written option, like they did earlier this year.
None want to download the app to register and setup a QR code. Most stores don't even have a printer to print it out!
How they have setup the app is utterly idiotic, typical govt waste.
If it was an easier process, ie let me set it up on my PC so I can just print out the QR code...
So, for now, they have a stack of printouts, ready for Saturday "John" fest.... Everyone's name is John, right? LOL!

yes, everyone's name is John.... lol

 

[SilverSurfer44]

50k fine for providing false information. I got an email from Crown yesterday evening - all of their facilities have to be set up and each time you leave one and enter another you have to re-register via the App or go to one of their manned stations which have staff with i-pads to register. Considering the ATM's are located out of the casino, you would want to make sure you have enough cash in your wallet to last a good few hours - otherwise the queues lining back up to get into casino after visiting the ATM to re-register will be very long on a typical Friday/Saturday night!!!!

The bar has cash withdrawal with a drink.

 

[sircurious]

The bar has cash withdrawal with a drink.

Bars will now be extraordinarily busy from this Friday then as Crown are introducing their COVID-19 registrations from 5pm!!!

 

[JackADTS]

Most shops that I talk to will be doing the hand written option, like they did earlier this year.
None want to download the app to register and setup a QR code. Most stores don't even have a printer to print it out!
How they have setup the app is utterly idiotic, typical govt waste.
If it was an easier process, ie let me set it up on my PC so I can just print out the QR code...
So, for now, they have a stack of printouts, ready for Saturday "John" fest.... Everyone's name is John, right? LOL!

QR code I thought would have been easier but as you said not all have access to a printer.
Registration isn’t that difficult from what I’ve heard;
Download app
Enter your name and mobile plus pin.
Gets verified.
Done

I did hear original version had a few snags and updates were to be rolled out before 5th.

So you enter, scan, data encrypted kept for 28 days then deleted.

Hard copy, enter, fill in details on register. Details kept for 28 days then disposed.
So no encryption and will details be destroyed?

As stated earlier false info $5K fine.

Anonymity of walk ins gone with hard copy.

This could last a while or even become the norm.

Interesting times ahead.

 

[MikeB]

From premier and cabinet media release site

Businesses or venues required to keep a contact register include:

• food and licenced venues (restaurants, cafés, bars, pubs, taverns, nightclubs);
• gyms, indoor sporting centres and pools;
• places of worship and funeral parlours;
• beauty and personal care services including hairdressers and barbers;
• galleries and museums;
• cinemas, theatres and other entertainment venues;
• auction houses and real estate inspections;
• community facilities, libraries and halls;
• zoos and amusement parks;
• function centres; and
• accommodation facilities that already have check-in arrangements in place (i.e. hostels, hotels, large camp grounds).

The State Government has released a free app, SafeWA, which will provide businesses with a digital COVID-19 contact register system, endorsed by the Department of Health.

I had a look at App Store today’s, the new app is available but an update is due.
The one app is for individuals and businesses.

For businesses I think it would be much easier if all they need do is displays QR code and not keep sheets of paper with details safely store.
App to me will provide more privacy than business maintaining hard copy record.
Displaying QR code is all a business need do, no record keeping.

Only took me a few minutes to find the information and paste it here.

How do the new regs deal with the issue of “aliases” which may be regarded as providing false information that I expect would be an offence with substantial penalties.

 

[openotherside]

Serious question....which establishments do not employ the use of CCTVs?

A CCTV free establishment using the paper option would clean up $$$$$. They would just need to manage the tradeoff between more business and staff safety..

 

[MikeB]

It‘s the privates that may not be regarded as “businesses” which are required to comply with the register requirements, that will be the new go to providers!

 

[JackADTS]

How do the new regs deal with the issue of “aliases” which may be regarded as providing false information that I expect would be an offence with substantial penalties.

I don’t think there would be an issue using your alias for a booking.

Could you use it as your name in contact details?
Provided your mobile number is true you may get away with using an alias.
The app asks for first name an surname.

if using app a business would not know your details, it’s encrypted accessible but govt dept if needed.
Hard copy business will know your details if they refer to booking sheet.

You could always ring Health Dept and ask them, “my hairdresser has always known me as John but that’s not my real name. Is it okay to use an alias provided contact number is real.

Guessing they won’t be able to answer because it’s more a legal.

do you want to risk a fine or just visit where they use QR code?

 

[sircurious]

I don’t think there would be an issue using your alias for a booking.

Could you use it as your name in contact details?
Provided your mobile number is true you may get away with using an alias.
The app asks for first name an surname.

if using app a business would not know your details, it’s encrypted accessible but govt dept if needed.
Hard copy business will know your details if they refer to booking sheet.

You could always ring Health Dept and ask them, “my hairdresser has always known me as John but that’s not my real name. Is it okay to use an alias provided contact number is real.

Guessing they won’t be able to answer because it’s more a legal.

do you want to risk a fine or just visit where they use QR code?

Every business that has to have the COVID Register must have the manual sign on sheet as a bare minimum to cater for those people with no smart phones. So every AMP will have to have a sign on sheet - no exceptions.

 

[SilverSurfer44]

With vaccines arrived in England in days, virus likely finished. Pandemic over

Written lists won't last long

 

[MikeB]

Every business that has to have the COVID Register must have the manual sign on sheet as a bare minimum to cater for those people with no smart phones. So every AMP will have to have a sign on sheet - no exceptions.

As has been noted in many threads here recently, many AMPs have trouble maintaining paperwork for their own bookings. Do any AMPs have the competency/resources to manage a COVID register plus keep it secure and confidential!!!!!!!!!!!

If you do, I'd like some of the shit u've been smoking ..........

Tina's in Yokine is probably the one closest to that competency as she is a non working mamsan who runs a pretty tight ship....

 

[sircurious]

As has been noted in many threads here recently, many AMPs have trouble maintaining paperwork for their own bookings. Do any AMPs have the competency/resources to manage a COVID register plus keep it secure and confidential!!!!!!!!!!!

If you do, I'd like some of the shit u've been smoking ..........

Tina's in Yokine is probably the one closest to that competency as she is a non working mamsan who runs a pretty tight ship....

Not at all - I'm apprehensive about their competency too. On another thing, staff at all the businesses (including AMP's) that are required to set up a COVID Register are also required to sign on for each of their shifts too either by the App or a manual register. While it might not be an issue now as most education institutions are on a break (and students on study visas can now work fulltime with no restrictions), come next year when the education institutions reopen, the students are back to working a maximum of 20hrs a week during their semester timetable. That is when some of these AMP's will have less employees rostered on as it's a large fine for falsifying COVID registers by not including those workers who have already completed more than 20hrs a week.

 

[JackADTS]

Not at all - I'm apprehensive about their competency too. On another thing, staff at all the businesses (including AMP's) that are required to set up a COVID Register are also required to sign on for each of their shifts too either by the App or a manual register. While it might not be an issue now as most education institutions are on a break (and students on study visas can now work fulltime with no restrictions), come next year when the education institutions reopen, the students are back to working a maximum of 20hrs a week during their semester timetable. That is when some of these AMP's will have less employees rostered on as it's a large fine for falsifying COVID registers by not including those workers who have already completed more than 20hrs a week.

That is why I think app is probably the way to go.
Data is encrypted.
Data only accessed if there’s a case of corona, so that Health can msg any contacts advising get tested and isolate.
Data not shared with other departments only for health.
Data deleted after 28 days.

Less work a business to manage just create QR code.
They could possibly go to an Aussie Post or Officeworks to print QR code.

None of this would record hours work but remember some of the girls might spend 8/10 hours at a premise but only have 4 clients or maybe 6 but not all have a one hour session.
Recording of hours worked unrelated to the new “check in” requirements.

The unanswered question is how long will this be in place.

 

[sircurious]

That is why I think app is probably the way to go.
Data is encrypted.
Data only accessed if there’s a case of corona, so that Health can msg any contacts advising get tested and isolate.
Data not shared with other departments only for health.
Data deleted after 28 days.

Less work a business to manage just create QR code.
They could possibly go to an Aussie Post or Officeworks to print QR code.

None of this would record hours work but remember some of the girls might spend 8/10 hours at a premise but only have 4 clients or maybe 6 but not all have a one hour session.
Recording of hours worked unrelated to the new “check in” requirements.

The unanswered question is how long will this be in place.

If a girl spends 8 to 10 hours at a premise but only sees 4 people in that period it doesn't matter, if Immigration paid a visit they would count the 8-10 hours and as I have stated earlier all businesses that are required to have the COVID register must have a manual sheet for registration and they can have the App too.

 

[openotherside]

Serious question....which establishments do not employ the use of CCTVs?

A CCTV free establishment using the paper option would clean up $$$$$. They would just need to manage the tradeoff between more business and staff safety..

Bump!

 

[Dwayne]

Most of the shops that I work with didn't even know that they needed to do this..
None of them want to have anything "registered" with any government department, hence why all of them are doing the manual way.
I have had evidence of customers stealing from shops (in one case, a lot of money)... and they didn't want to go to the police. They don't want any trouble. Having men in uniform is bad luck for shops.

All shops have CCTV systems, I have upgraded two shops this week with new cameras.
The largest problem that they have is dumbasses that say "I paid for 60 mins and only got 45 mins"..... Well, lets check the CCTV for the time stamps!.

BTW, The shops do take a photo of "bad customers" from the cctv and show it to other workers/shops...

 

[JackADTS]

Not sure if I included this as part of a previous post;


SafeWA includes key features such as unique QR codes for venues which patrons can scan to register their attendance. Data will be encrypted at the point of capture, stored securely and only be accessible by authorised Department of Health contact tracing personnel, should COVID-19 contact tracing be necessary.

The app is being provided as a free, easy, contactless solution, but is not mandatory. Alternative formats for mandatory contact registers are available, including other electronic tools or a paper-based system, depending on what is suitable for the business, venue or individual.

The details required for the contact register will include the date, arrival time, names and telephone numbers.

Any person aged 16 years and over who attends a business, place or premises, listed above, including patrons, staff, volunteers and contractors will be required to register their contact details.

Hopefully may make things a little clearer about data collection.

If QR code and app used only authorised officials can access if and only when required.

Other form, paper, electronic maintained by a business to be kept confidential for 28 days.

So which will be the most secure and not leak your info.

Choice is down to the businesses and individuals.

Choose what you is best for you.

Have a nice day

 

[sircurious]

Visited an AMP this afternoon which will remain nameless - No QR Code signage or manual sign on sheet. Might be a weekend amnesty for those businesses requiring the procedure but I'm pretty sure from next week the authorities will start to crack down.

 

[JackADTS]

Visited an AMP this afternoon which will remain nameless - No QR Code signage or manual sign on sheet. Might be a weekend amnesty for those businesses requiring the procedure but I'm pretty sure from next week the authorities will start to crack down.

No amnesty but yeah possibly get a warning over next few days.

visited a shopping centre today, the cafes had their QR code on display forgot to check the ‘physio’ and beauty places.

I wonder if a business doesn’t provide QR or sign in register if attendee is also in trouble.

Might to watch tonight’s news, I’m sure it will get a mention.

I had my “physio” earlier in the week

 

[MikeB]

Went to a yoga class no sign in, but they do record who is in class usually in any case. Cafe next door had Qcode signs think there is still confusion/apathy