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Man jailed for raping prostitute by pretending to pay with envelope stuffed with paper

Farm Boy 2

Legend Member
I have told you guys it is a open and shut case under English law if you use force blackmail or fraud to have sex with a woman its rape this guy used fraudulent means to have his way and admitted it I would wonder why his legal teem never wised him up .


 

Farm Boy 2

Legend Member
Well there was no violence and I think her victims impact statement was as recognised as a load of bull .
 

Sir Cruiser

Legend Member
I should clarify that I have never said whatever a girl has wanted to hear to get into her knickers, as my blessed conscience would ensure I never achieve an erection. But we all know there are guys who do, and equally there are girls who use sex to manipulate guys. I like to steer clear of both varieties.
I would not have expected less from his XLNC
 

Farm Boy 2

Legend Member
Only Canola so far and it helps 3 liter's of Glyphosate 540 better than 3 Kilograms of atrazine plus one liter 520 g/L HALOXYFOP plus Quizalofop









 

Sir Cruiser

Legend Member
The side of righteousness Sunyun The anti GMO tractor
FB only wishes he could afford to put in canola Let alone afford GMO Canola seed
So when did FB2 get his handle changed to FB, i always thought FB was short for Fuck Buddy, are you trying tell us something H2
 

Happy2

Legend Member
So when did FB2 get his handle changed to FB, i always thought FB was short for f**k Buddy, are you trying tell us something H2
Insulting sod I bet your really a daihatsu driver
And I may insist you call me by my formal name If this behaviour keeps up
 

Sir Cruiser

Legend Member
Insulting sod I bet your really a daihatsu driver
And I may insist you call me by my formal name If this behaviour keeps up
Ha ha, no just a Land Cruiser
But I did not mean to insult you happy2 as I know you can be happy too so I just wondered if you were missing a key from your keyboard, obviously I was wrong about that so p ease a cept y pologie
 

scarlett lee

Gold Member
Even with my knowledge of guys (no, not like that) in that there are guys that will say anything to get into girls knickers, I just do not get it. I must be stupid, naive or I don't know what I am but I have never and will never say anything just to get into a girls knickers. I have had girls who have been drunk and said they wanted to have sex, even naked ones at the top of the stairs but I would not take advantage of them. If the girl is willing and is aware of what they are saying, that is okay. If a girl is upset, just broken up with their boyfriend or partner, then I would give them comfort but not take advantage. I believe that everyone no matter what they do for a living has nothing to do with their ability to cope with rape, assault or any abuse of any kind. This woman feels betrayed and violated, to me that is enough. I think anyone who is duped, feels violated or abused has the right to justice.Good riddance to scum like that.
Yeah. and it's kinda telling of this guy's mentality that even after being convicted he still believed it was a 'commercial matter' about which he was prepared to make 'restitution'. Some people will never get it!
 

Happy2

Legend Member
Ha ha, no just a Land Cruiser
But I did not mean to insult you happy2 as I know you can be happy too so I just wondered if you were missing a key from your keyboard, obviously I was wrong about that so p ease a cept y pologie

OK Cruiser

And Scarlett I think your statement is spot on regarding the mentality of the man no matter how they've worded the charges against him
 
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nightrider

A Canberra man has been jailed for eight months for raping a prostitute by pretending to pay with an envelope stuffed with paper.

Akis Livas, 52, appeared to be in disbelief when his lawyer explained to him that he would be locked up for the crime.

He pleaded guilty to the charge after he tricked the woman into sex when he did not have the money to pay her.

ACT Supreme Court Judge Hillary Penfold told the court there was no consent to sex when it was obtained by fraud.

Earlier the woman gave a victim impact statement to the court, describing her extreme fear and feeling of violation when she realised she had been duped.

She told the court Livas had booked her for four hours, and brought an envelope stuffed with paper which he pretended was the $850 to pay her.

The woman said when she discovered there was no money, she became scared.

"I felt internally violated, used and dirty," she told the court.

"I fully expected he was going to hurt me.

"He made me complicit in my own rape."

She told the court she has suffered from a lack of trust in others and was still receiving counselling.

"The offence was clearly premeditated," Justice Penfold told the court.

She noted Livas continued to minimise his responsibility and had not shown remorse.

"It seems Mr Livas is still focussed on the event as a commercial exercise," Justice Penfold said.

Lawyers for Livas told the court he was prepared to pay reparations, but the crown told the court none were being sought.

Livas will also serve a two-year good behaviour order

It has been reported that this man had booked this prostitute previously and shortchanged her:

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Tim Blair
Friday, February 06, 2015 (6:54pm)

A Canberra man has pleaded guilty to rape after tricking a prostitute into having sex with him for free:

Livas first had sex with the woman in October 2010 but didn’t have enough money to pay the full fee.

He vowed to pay the $50 he still owed her on their next encounter, which he booked later that month for $800.

Court documents allege he handed over a sealed envelope and stopped the woman from opening it …

The pair had sex but when the woman opened the envelope she found there was no money inside.


So he’s a thief and a liar – and also, by his own admission, a rapist, although there was no force or coercion involved beyond his broken promise to pay:

The woman recalled she cried uncontrollably as tears ran down her naked body when she realised she’d been deceived, as she read a victim impact statement in court on Friday.
“I felt internally violated, used and dirty. I felt sick,” she said.
In the days after the incident she couldn’t eat, sleep or think properly and she later developed post-traumatic stress disorder, she said.
She told the court she lost trust in her regular clients and her confidence in her ability to screen clients appropriately suffered …
“I am not a victim of my job,” she told the court.
“I am a real woman. I am a rape victim.”
Interesting case. For non-payment following services rendered, Akis Livas has been jailed for eight months. By contrast, a previous Canberra offender walked free after bashing and kicking a man into unconsciousness.​
 
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nightrider

I am saddened by such actions against working ladies............

True that Yoda, to me it looks like the wrong is lies and tricks, no one likes being lied to and tricked out of what they have been promised and expect, the WL is 100% right to be pissed at this guy, but a rape conviction??

There is a message here for WL's and Shops that trick
punters with fake pics as well, that shit pisses people off............
 

Kitty

Private Escort/Pro-Domme
Gold Member
Well there was no violence and I think her victims impact statement was as recognised as a load of bull .
So you're saying that unless she was smacked around a bit, it wasn't rape? It is comments such as these that are the reason the majority of rape cases go unreported, because they are trivialized and ridiculed. The issue of consent in the sex industry is so commonly misconstrued that a large percentage of clients think we have no agency or free will at all. Before a booking, a service provider and the client will come to an understanding about what will take place, and only then, consent is given, and can be taken away at any time by either parties. The whole point here is that she would not sleep with him for free. Whether she checked the envelope or not is irrelevant. I'm just glad the judge recognised this instead of charging him with the lesser term of 'theft of services', which they have been known to do.
 
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bushseeker

A friend of mine after an extended booking had all the money stolen by him on the way out.
I made the comment that thats rape.
she said.
ive been raped im not happy but that was nothing like being raped
 
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Lord Spikey

I should clarify that I have never said whatever a girl has wanted to hear to get into her knickers, as my blessed conscience would ensure I never achieve an erection. But we all know there are guys who do, and equally there are girls who use sex to manipulate guys. I like to steer clear of both varieties.

What!!! Girls use sex to manipulate guys??? Who'd have thought?
 

Farm Boy 2

Legend Member
So you're saying that unless she was smacked around a bit, it wasn't rape? It is comments such as these that are the reason the majority of rape cases go unreported, because they are trivialized and ridiculed. The issue of consent in the sex industry is so commonly misconstrued that a large percentage of clients think we have no agency or free will at all. Before a booking, a service provider and the client will come to an understanding about what will take place, and only then, consent is given, and can be taken away at any time by either parties. The whole point here is that she would not sleep with him for free. Whether she checked the envelope or not is irrelevant. I'm just glad the judge recognised this instead of charging him with the lesser term of 'theft of services', which they have been known to do.




Kitty the man was convicted of a serious crime with out much Jail time . now I am just a farmer not a expert in law however I am sure if this man was given the maxim sentience available to the judge it would end up being overturned because it was rape as defined by our law , but not the most horrendous crime committed against women this year .


Now love you sweety , and may all WL be recompense fairly for services given with enthusiasm and the public health protocols adhered to .
 

Happy2

Legend Member
If I can just alter this a tad

I have heard and others on this forum I have spoken too

Sometimes a girl has not been given her full payment for services when payment has been by creditcard whether by glitch or oversight or whatever

If the girl is not paid or underpaid Is the punter now falling into the rape category because the lady was not paid ?
 
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bushseeker

You guys probably have no idea how often a guy will show up with no money Or only some of it
and will want direct transfer. Go to the atm after or bring the rest tomorrow....
I really dont know whats wrong with them
2 things you NEVER show up to without cash
-a drug deal ( unless your all pacino)
- a lady
 

Kitty

Private Escort/Pro-Domme
Gold Member
Kitty the man was convicted of a serious crime with out much Jail time . now I am just a farmer not a expert in law however I am sure if this man was given the maxim sentience available to the judge it would end up being overturned because it was rape as defined by our law , but not the most horrendous crime committed against women this year .


Now love you sweety , and may all WL be recompense fairly for services given with enthusiasm and the public health protocols adhered to .
(Sorry for arking up, just a bit of a sore point as I've had this argument a thousand times over regarding the issues surrounding consent). X
 

XLNC

Whatever happened to FREE love?
Legend Member
What!!! Girls use sex to manipulate guys??? Who'd have thought?

I know, I know, it is flabbergasting, gobsmacking and mullet-stunning but it's true, for real bro, there really are some girls like that. I only stumbled across this unwelcome discovery a few decades ago myself, having thunk till then all females were paragons of angelic virtue. What a disappointment. :oops:
 
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omlelived

Open and shut case. Force , Fraud or Blackmail is rape . can not believe the victim's impact statement tho ..
Have heard of similar happening here guy had sex with woman she went loo after got back to find him gone as well as his money yes it happens
 
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Lord Spikey

I know, I know, it is flabbergasting, gobsmacking and mullet-stunning but it's true, for real bro, there really are some girls like that. I only stumbled across this unwelcome discovery a few decades ago myself, having thunk till then all females were paragons of angelic virtue. What a disappointment. :oops:

Well, XLNC; I live and learn.
You've smashed my perception into smithereens.
How can I look at another woman again, without seeing the evil within.

Question: How does this work for transgender "people"? Are Ladyboys manipulative?
And what about gay guys and lesbians? Do they make an internal cultural, or gender specific semi-change?

Now I'm even more confused.
 
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