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LoL Alecia.. thanks for point that out to me at least i brought the lamb in the story .. and I didn't bring up the race issue.. after all the do gooders and bleading hearts are are own people cheers
I find myself using this saying quite a lot. I think it describes how I go about making decisions in my life and it's something I've learnt from my father. There's only two times in life, there's now, and there's too late. I was born in Vietnam, so when the war finished, life for my family was very hard. And we eventually had to leave Vietnam. There were 40 of us on a 9m fishing boat. On day four of our journey we spot a boat in the distance. And as the boat gets closer we realise it's a boatload of Thai pirates. Seven men with knives, machetes and guns get on our boat. And they take everything. One of the pirates picks up the smallest child on the boat, he lifts up the baby and rips open the baby's nappy and $150 worth of gold falls out. And the pirate dangles the kid over the ocean and threatens to throw the kid in. In that moment, for whatever reason, the pirate decides to spare the kid's life. And that's a good thing, cos that's my little brother. Khoa Do, who in 2005 became the Young Australian of the Year. And we were saved on the fifth day by a big German merchant ship which took us to a refugee camp in Malaysia, and we were there for around three months before Australia says - come to Australia. And we're very glad that happened. So often, we heard Mum and Dad say - what a great country. How good is this place? And the other thing - kids, as you grow up, do as much as you can to give back to this great country and to give back to others less fortunate. And so, that's how Mum and Dad taught us to fit in.
"A million now" is a great piece of exaggeration. Top marks for trying though Farm Boy
Well done now how many people do you think are in UN camps?
How many should be given Australian Visa?
And who is the front of the Que?(By this I mean how do we decide who comes to Aus,)
Now comes the rub some people have a bit more drive and money they do not sit on there bums in a UN camp ,Some come in boats some fly in and request sanction . In effect they have got them self to the front of that enormous Que.
"A million now" is a great piece of exaggeration. Top marks for trying though Farm Boy
I pose a question.
If we took a man from 200 years ago and placed him in a cell with a chair. table, and a cot, he would most probably be ok, and feel quite comfortable and supplied with all his needs. This is the life and surroundings he is used to, and probably as much as he had at home.
Take a man of today and put him in that same cell and he will suffer. Where is his feather-down quilt, espresso coffee, thick carpeting, 50 inch plasma, ducted air-con, music, Nike shoes with gel-cushioning, info at his keyboard, mindless distraction, Lady Gaga, hollywood gossip, iphone and xbox?
He will feel as if he slipped into hell without them.
Those men and women who risk everything to escape from countries where torture, degradation, poverty, brutality and horror are everyday occurrences, would fall into the category of our first example, the safety and security of the cells we provide them in our human detention camps must seem like nirvana. Food and warmth, schooling, medicine, and all the other benefits our Australia provides them.
My question is how come they riot, try to escape, seem discontent? Haven't we given them so much more than they are used too? Are they that ungrateful?
I challenge any Australian to smile from inside electric fences, loaded guns pointed in their general directions, confined to one area for year after year, uncertain as to when you're going to be let out, unsure if you might not end up sent back, at the whim of men who by their natures are chosen to be guards of women and children - and I think it must take a specific kind of man to point a gun at a woman or child, and I do not think I would like to have my children around such men... but lucky me I have the choice.
I think we can give them all the modern comforts we can afford, it still will not be enough, as we have seen.
Dignity and freedom is the right of humanity, and as long as we delude ourselves believing we have given it to them "because at least they are safe" then we will always have the memory we were once the lucky country, instead of the reality of being just the same as everybody else.
Australia was always a special place. We weren't founded by the elite, nor settled by exiled religious factions.
We were founded by the poor and unfortunate, by the refugees and unwanted.
To lock away unfortunates smacks of fear, politics, and orwellian ideas.
There is no they and us.
A society is judged not by the standards of today, but by the pages written about it by the future.
And Australia will be thrown into the same contemptible pile of excretion as the US and other assorted "compassionate" countries by those who are to come.
Let the poor buggers out and allow them the dignity that is their human right.
Were on did you get the idea that guards stood by with loaded guns , two nights ago the so called poor buggers walked out none were shot ,
Next day commonwealth police were flown in, buildings and infrastructure destroyed still no shots fired.
When staff and non rioting poor buggers were threatened just one ungrateful rioting basted was hit with a sand bag, should have a public flogging just like back at home.
You mean there are no guns at a detention centre? That is ludicrous and naive hun.
And I suppose you also believe cameramen were allowed to roam freely without censor, nor without an official standing over their shoulder too?
I wonder how you would feel spending years there, no matter how comfortable your "cell".
I'm honestly not having a go at you, but it is easy to be judgmental from the comfort of home.... but I know if someone erected walls around it and forced me to stay there for years it might make me feel a little differently, somewhat angry and upset.
The issue isn't whether they came here illegally - yes they did, but they are here now and do we treat them however begrudgingly with respect for their courage, or show that even dressed as friends we are no different than anyone else.
Your comments are idiotic Kat No one were threaten By armed guards asylum seekers are not locked up for years And your fellow feelgood tree hugging leftwing bleeding heart green socialist at the A B C would scream long and loud at any censorship and there excellent cameraman go wherever they like.
You are absolutely right hun.
Being shown the error of my ways I bow out gracefully.
If I had known you personally oversaw the whole operation, had in depth knowledge of detention procedure, were called to plan the federal police's actions, had written policy for the ABC, and interviewed the cameramen as to the freedom you demanded they be given, I would never have dreamed to question you.
I want to be the first to signup to live in a cell.
It sounds wonderful.
Thank you for enlightening me.