Cut or uncut?? - Your opinion

[Buk]

I get what you're saying Z but i don't think any bloke who's been snipped has any problems with it or any issues towards their parents? I know i don't!

Me either.

 

[Ziggy Pop]

I get what you're saying Z but i don't think any bloke who's been snipped has any problems with it or any issues towards their parents? I know i don't!

I'm glad you don't have any issues around your parents choosing to circumcise you, but unfortunately that is not always the case. I have a friend who was circ'd due to his parents religious; a religion that he now, as an informed adult, wants no part in. Should he not have been allowed to grow up and make the choice for himself? To decide what he wanted to do with HIS body? He is currently speaking with a specialist about foreskin reconstruction. While he will never get back the sensation that he lost, he will get back his human right to bodily autonomy.

My argument here is not whether circumsion is relevant or necessary (although I'm sure you can tell which side of the fence I'm on). My argument is that the choice comes downs solely to the owner of the body being altered.

 

[bushseeker]

BS said - a circumcised penis is like a dry peice of leather

Well I suppose the counter-argument to that must then be that the head of the penis (glans) of uncut men is always moist - which is a perfect breeding ground for germs and other nasties (???)

Like a vagina?
Load of crap.
I recently sustained injury to my knob from enthusiasic sex over quite a few hours with a lady with a very tight vagina (boasting now
It healed much faster then equivalent trauma to my finger would have.... I can pm you a pic if you like.......

 

[Sir Cruiser]

I get what you're saying Z but i don't think any bloke who's been snipped has any problems with it or any issues towards their parents? I know i don't!

I agree with you, certainly when it was done, it was strongly advised by the drs to all parents and i would imagine the parents believed the drs reasons.

 

[Sir Cruiser]

I'm glad you don't have any issues around your parents choosing to circumcise you, but unfortunately that is not always the case. I have a friend who was circ'd due to his parents religious; a religion that he now, as an informed adult, wants no part in. Should he not have been allowed to grow up and make the choice for himself? To decide what he wanted to do with HIS body? He is currently speaking with a specialist about foreskin reconstruction. While he will never get back the sensation that he lost, he will get back his human right to bodily autonomy.

My argument here is not whether circumsion is relevant or necessary (although I'm sure you can tell which side of the fence I'm on). My argument is that the choice comes downs solely to the owner of the body being altered.

I do understand your point of view that taking away the choice of the individual is wrong and certainly i would understand your friends reaction as he does not have the same belief as his parents. But for the vast majority of adults who had it done when babies, it is nit an issue. I just remembered my older brother had it done when he was in his late 20's as he had the problem a too tight foreskin which caused him a huge amount if pain. So he had it done and was happy to do it.

 

[Lord Spikey]

I was cut as a baby. It was the done thing in those days, but opinions changed over the years and it dropped out of fashion.

I somehow don't think it was the decision of my parents. It was most probably the SOP of the doctors of the day. Remember back then the father wasn't even allowed in the delivery room and the procedure was probably done without permission from the parents. They were just told after it was over, that it was standard procedure. By then it was too late to sew it back on.

50 years ago, doctors were Gods, weren't they. So who was going to argue? Not the person under the knife.

In saying this, any man who was cut as a baby knows no different and it would only be the men who were cut as adults whose opinion really counts. The ladies may have a preference, but that won't change anything for the man who is already cut.

My son was not cut. Our decision. Now it is his decision, should he choose to make it. (yes, "MAKE" a decision, not "TAKE" a decision. Don't you just hate that?)

 

[Sir Cruiser]

I was cut as a baby. It was the done thing in those days, but opinions changed over the years and it dropped out of fashion.

I somehow don't think it was the decision of my parents. It was most probably the SOP of the doctors of the day. Remember back then the father wasn't even allowed in the delivery room and the procedure was probably done without permission from the parents. They were just told after it was over, that it was standard procedure. By then it was too late to sew it back on.

50 years ago, doctors were Gods, weren't they. So who was going to argue? Not the person under the knife.

In saying this, any man who was cut as a baby knows no different and it would only be the men who were cut as adults whose opinion really counts. The ladies may have a preference, but that won't change anything for the man who is already cut.

My son was not cut. Our decision. Now it is his decision, should he choose to make it. (yes, "MAKE" a decision, not "TAKE" a decision. Don't you just hate that?)

Well put Lord Spikey, much better than me

 

[homer]

I'm glad you don't have any issues around your parents choosing to circumcise you, but unfortunately that is not always the case. I have a friend who was circ'd due to his parents religious; a religion that he now, as an informed adult, wants no part in. Should he not have been allowed to grow up and make the choice for himself? To decide what he wanted to do with HIS body? He is currently speaking with a specialist about foreskin reconstruction. While he will never get back the sensation that he lost, he will get back his human right to bodily autonomy.

My argument here is not whether circumsion is relevant or necessary (although I'm sure you can tell which side of the fence I'm on). My argument is that the choice comes downs solely to the owner of the body being altered.

Eggxactly miss Ziggy, it's about the individual's right to choose and not to be dicktated by religion or parents' belief. It's a knack of BS. I hate to think that I was cut due to some religion or belief of hygiene won't be achieved.

 

[Buk]

Like a vagina?
Load of crap.
I recently sustained injury to my knob from enthusiasic sex over quite a few hours with a lady with a very tight vagina (boasting now
It healed much faster then equivalent trauma to my finger would have.... I can pm you a pic if you like.......

PASS!!!!!!!!

 

[Ginger Spice]

Shit I better have another look and touch of my circumcised 'leather belt' penis, it may need moisturiser!

Need help rubbing it in?

 

[Buk]

Need help rubbing it in?

mmmm....welll....it does take two hands to handle a whopper

 

[Ginger Spice]

mmmm....welll....it does take two hands to handle a whopper

hehe

 

[Max Cherry]

mmmm....welll....it does take two hands to handle a whopper

Ginger is so small she'd need two hands for a Whopper Junior, let alone a full size whopper.

 

[Max Cherry]

Can we just take a moment to thank @Ziggy Pop for always having such impeccable grammar, and always such intelligent responses.

A pleasure to read her arguments.

 

[Viktoria Richards]

Someone said it perfectly: HYGIENE IS LEARNED AND NOT CUT !!
In my opinion the foreskin keeps the penis sensitive and moist like protecting it from being rubbed raw and drying
a circumcised penis is like a dry piece of leather. It is meant to be there!
I've heard opinions circumcised gives slightly more pleasure. And I heard it quite often. I personally feel no difference!! When it's up and hard the skin is down anyways. Somehow cut or uncut has never made any difference to me. And it is not the natural way it to be!!

 

[Viktoria Richards]

 

[Viktoria Richards]

 

[Viktoria Richards]

Does it really make any f;-*** difference?

 

[Viktoria Richards]

Would be nice to know from the men perspective? Does it make any difference?

 

[Max Cherry]

Is this a circumcised penis?

 

[Max Cherry]

Not the best thread to be reading through whilst trying to eat my breakfast. But here i am, still looking at pictures of ugly genitalia while forcing down my Nutri-grain I'm between dry wretches.

 

[homer]

At least your not downing a bowl of rice bubbles...snap crackle and popping in your mouth.

 

[XLNC]

I am very much in favour of circumcision, especially for religious/cultural reasons. If it weren't for this age-old practice, we would have missed out on this classic Seinfeld scene:

That alone justifies circumcision in my book.

 

[Happy2]

Does it really make any f;-*** difference?

I think it does Simone The one on the right looks like the inspiration for that painting
The scream

 

[Morgan Sapphire]

It should be the man's choice. x

 

[Zeus]

OK - so let's assume from an aesthetic point of view, there is no difference.
Let's look at the medical argument as to whether one should be cut or not.

Is there any medical reason why one should remain uncut? I suppose one could argue that there is always a potential risk in having a surgical procedure. It is my opinion that this risk is pretty insignificant. It really isn't a major procedure.

So, is there any medical reason why one should be cut?

Here is the first article (of many) that I found on the net.

Foreskin Problems Overview


Two conditions can occur with the foreskin of the penis of an uncircumcised or improperly circumcised boy or man, 1) phimosis and 2) paraphimosis

1. Phimosis: This condition occurs when the foreskin cannot be retracted (pulled back) behind the head (glans) of the penis. This is called phimosis. It is usually a condition found in children and occasionally adults. Physiological phimosis is the normal condition that occurs mainly during the first year of life when the foreskin is not retractable in these young males. This may occur until about 3 years of age. This condition is not a congenital problem such as buried penis (the penis is located beneath the abdominal skin). Phimosis can often lead to a painful type of infection called balanitis.
2. Paraphimosis: This condition, paraphimosis, is somewhat the opposite of phimosis. The foreskin, after being pulled back, becomes trapped and then swollen behind the head (glans) of the penis.
   • The swelling can lead to blockage of blood flow to the penis, which can lead to gangrene of the penile shaft and head distal to the welling.
   • Paraphiosis is considered a true medical emergency.Circumcision (surgical removal of the foreskin) at birth or revision of a prior circumcision can prevent this condition.

 

[Ziggy Pop]

OK - so let's assume from an aesthetic point of view, there is no difference.
Let's look at the medical argument as to whether one should be cut or not.

Is there any medical reason why one should remain uncut? I suppose one could argue that there is always a potential risk in having a surgical procedure. It is my opinion that this risk is pretty insignificant. It really isn't a major procedure.

So, is there any medical reason why one should be cut?

Here is the first article (of many) that I found on the net.

Foreskin Problems Overview


Two conditions can occur with the foreskin of the penis of an uncircumcised or improperly circumcised boy or man, 1) phimosis and 2) paraphimosis

1. Phimosis: This condition occurs when the foreskin cannot be retracted (pulled back) behind the head (glans) of the penis. This is called phimosis. It is usually a condition found in children and occasionally adults. Physiological phimosis is the normal condition that occurs mainly during the first year of life when the foreskin is not retractable in these young males. This may occur until about 3 years of age. This condition is not a congenital problem such as buried penis (the penis is located beneath the abdominal skin). Phimosis can often lead to a painful type of infection called balanitis.
2. Paraphimosis: This condition, paraphimosis, is somewhat the opposite of phimosis. The foreskin, after being pulled back, becomes trapped and then swollen behind the head (glans) of the penis.
   • The swelling can lead to blockage of blood flow to the penis, which can lead to gangrene of the penile shaft and head distal to the welling.
   • Paraphiosis is considered a true medical emergency.Circumcision (surgical removal of the foreskin) at birth or revision of a prior circumcision can prevent this condition.

These are absolutely legitimate reasons for circumsision, but did you happen to look into how common these issues actually are? The rates are very low.

Have you looked into infant mortality? Did you know it is much higher in regions where circumsion is more prevalent? What about infant morbidity? Have you looked into the negative side effects that can result from circumsising? Have you looked into hospital rates for children being admitted annually for issues related to their circumsion?

I have done extensive research on this subject, as it is one I feel very strongly about. Circumsing your child puts them at a much greater risk of disease or infection than if you were to wait and let nature take its course.

If an issue is to occur, you can deal with it then. But, as they say: If ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

 

[Zeus]

These are absolutely legitimate reasons for circumsision, but did you happen to look into how common these issues actually are? The rates are very low.

Have you looked into infant mortality? Did you know it is much higher in regions where circumsion is more prevalent? What about infant morbidity? Have you looked into the negative side effects that can result from circumsising? Have you looked into hospital rates for children being admitted annually for issues related to their circumsion?

I have done extensive research on this subject, as it is one I feel very strongly about. Circumsing your child puts them at a much greater risk of disease or infection than if you were to wait and let nature take its course.

If an issue is to occur, you can deal with it then. But, as they say: If ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

Mate - that is not a fair argument.
The areas that you are referring to are predominantly in Africa where circumcision is often done with a sharpened rock. Absolutely no anaesthetic and extremely poor hygiene in general.

Let's compare apples with apples.

If you look at circumcision in "first world" countries there is ZERO cases of infant mortality or similar linked to circumcision.

 

[homer]

These are absolutely legitimate reasons for circumsision, but did you happen to look into how common these issues actually are? The rates are very low.

Have you looked into infant mortality? Did you know it is much higher in regions where circumsion is more prevalent? What about infant morbidity? Have you looked into the negative side effects that can result from circumsising? Have you looked into hospital rates for children being admitted annually for issues related to their circumsion?

I have done extensive research on this subject, as it is one I feel very strongly about. Circumsing your child puts them at a much greater risk of disease or infection than if you were to wait and let nature take its course.

If an issue is to occur, you can deal with it then. But, as they say: If ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

Totally agree, miss Pop. Not a risk worth taking. Definitely don't *beeping* fix it, if it isn't broken.

 

[Happy2]

Has anybody read the post by Dallas on this subject on another thread on the same topic I would really need to be given all the facts Before going through what he described happened to him as a grown man Who had the op