Are there any ethics in our industry.....
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Raye@Langtrees
To be perfectly honest, I believe the girl is robbing and cheating the house, because she knows that this is a big no-no. She knows well and good what the deal is, Now some ladies have the clients number, so she can call him up to come visit in house with her. Sometimes I feel this is abit far fetched, as I dont see alot of clientelle coming in via a phone call. Skulduggery will always be at the forefront of big business such as this.
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While we are on the subject of ethics...
what do you guys think of staff seeing ladies outside of the establishments?
I know that when I first worked at LT many moons ago now...
we had a good selection of young drivers who wanted to book ladies
& Maryanne use to say "you cannot shit in your own backyard"
or something to that effect!
She would say that they had to go to other establishments & see ladies there instead!
What is your take on this??
what do you guys think of staff seeing ladies outside of the establishments?
I know that when I first worked at LT many moons ago now...
we had a good selection of young drivers who wanted to book ladies
& Maryanne use to say "you cannot shit in your own backyard"
or something to that effect!
She would say that they had to go to other establishments & see ladies there instead!
What is your take on this??
Ms Sue
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I had a situation last year where one of our best ladies had a relationship with our young driver ...
when it went pair shape ..
We lost the girl for 3 months because she wouldn't work with him here...
I must say that when I found out it was
Good bye driver
Welcome back honey.
when it went pair shape ..
We lost the girl for 3 months because she wouldn't work with him here...
I must say that when I found out it was
Good bye driver
Welcome back honey.
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Its a hard one.
First we do not employ the ladies, they are private business woman that buy time on our floor to meet the clients we attract.
The house does not own the clients choice.
The house can not tell the ladies what to do on this matter.
The house can only refuse the lady floor reservations if she is playing unfair..
As to the credit notes, credit notes can only be used once, and if I saw the exchange I would have refused the credit note on the grounds he had paid for the contact.
I have found that 30% of all ladies or humans will play by the procedures (rules) and that 30% will always try to have it both ways.
40% will sit in the middle and go which ever way is strongest, the ladies that have it both ways or the management. what ever is the strongest.
because of this, I have always tried to run langtrees from the lounge floor, rather than behind reception, as they are both different worlds.
First we do not employ the ladies, they are private business woman that buy time on our floor to meet the clients we attract.
The house does not own the clients choice.
The house can not tell the ladies what to do on this matter.
The house can only refuse the lady floor reservations if she is playing unfair..
As to the credit notes, credit notes can only be used once, and if I saw the exchange I would have refused the credit note on the grounds he had paid for the contact.
I have found that 30% of all ladies or humans will play by the procedures (rules) and that 30% will always try to have it both ways.
40% will sit in the middle and go which ever way is strongest, the ladies that have it both ways or the management. what ever is the strongest.
because of this, I have always tried to run langtrees from the lounge floor, rather than behind reception, as they are both different worlds.
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i believe in not mixing business with pleasure , it becomes complicated later
a driver needs to have the ladies safety and interest in mind whilst on the job
as a male i do realise that it is hard ( no pun intended ) to keep your eyes , amoungst other things ,off the beautiful ladies
a driver needs to have the ladies safety and interest in mind whilst on the job
I had a situation last year where one of our best ladies had a relationship with our young driver ...
when it went pair shape ..
We lost the girl for 3 months because she wouldn't work with him here...
I must say that when I found out it was
Good bye driver
Welcome back honey.
While we are on the subject of ethics...
what do you guys think of staff seeing ladies outside of the establishments?
I know that when I first worked at LT many moons ago now...
we had a good selection of young drivers who wanted to book ladies
& Maryanne use to say "you cannot shit in your own backyard"
or something to that effect!
She would say that they had to go to other establishments & see ladies there instead!
What is your take on this??
as a male i do realise that it is hard ( no pun intended ) to keep your eyes , amoungst other things ,off the beautiful ladies
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Ahoy DD, My view is very similar to JohnLou;- "i believe in not mixing business with pleasure , it becomes complicated later a driver needs to have the ladies safety and interest in mind whilst on the job"
If i was a driver currently, I would take the job very seriously
However after hours is different, let me say this, if i took a shine to one of the girls, yes I would have a punt, in the establishment at the going cost.
In any business, stopping relationships from occurring is impossible, what needs to be established is professionalism amougest the people who are working there.
Cheers and Pass the Rum
If i was a driver currently, I would take the job very seriously
However after hours is different, let me say this, if i took a shine to one of the girls, yes I would have a punt, in the establishment at the going cost.
In any business, stopping relationships from occurring is impossible, what needs to be established is professionalism amougest the people who are working there.
Cheers and Pass the Rum
While we are on the subject of ethics...
what do you guys think of staff seeing ladies outside of the establishments?
I know that when I first worked at LT many moons ago now...
we had a good selection of young drivers who wanted to book ladies
& Maryanne use to say "you cannot shit in your own backyard"
or something to that effect!
She would say that they had to go to other establishments & see ladies there instead!
What is your take on this??
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Guys intentions are great the reality is we are woman and men that work together as they say SHIT happens, and no one can beat human nature. We meet someone we click, boom a relationship starts, its called LIFE.
svengali
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My answer is this is simple cheating by both parties.
The girl is using the house facilities to get clients then cutting the house out of future "sales" by taking the client privately. It is exactly the same as a hairdresser who offers clients after-hours work for cash. O.K., the Langtrees ladies are not employees but that is a pretty fine point of definition. They are still stealing business.
As to the guy, if he is a willing party to the transaction he is probably morally suspect but at the same time, if the girl offered the deal of private service for a discount I will bet not many men would knock her back.
The girl is using the house facilities to get clients then cutting the house out of future "sales" by taking the client privately. It is exactly the same as a hairdresser who offers clients after-hours work for cash. O.K., the Langtrees ladies are not employees but that is a pretty fine point of definition. They are still stealing business.
As to the guy, if he is a willing party to the transaction he is probably morally suspect but at the same time, if the girl offered the deal of private service for a discount I will bet not many men would knock her back.
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It is the nature of the industry...........there will always be a phone number exchange and there will always be a seeing the client outside the establishment.
Loyalty comes with a price tag..........it is a give and take between the private business woman and the establishment. If girls are happy with their working environment they are less likely to meet clients privately.
However I do agree with Maryanne's 30-30-40 rule of thumb.
Guess an establishment has to be able to cover for those kind of losses.
Loyalty comes with a price tag..........it is a give and take between the private business woman and the establishment. If girls are happy with their working environment they are less likely to meet clients privately.
However I do agree with Maryanne's 30-30-40 rule of thumb.
Guess an establishment has to be able to cover for those kind of losses.
Ms Sue
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Rochelle this is not having a go at you ...........
However I feel I need to reply to your post ..
Loyalty comes with a tag
I know this will sound harsh but lets look at this ....
Langtrees brings in 95% of clients
because the contractors do not bring back special requests
as they are to happy to take good clients privately ....
Yes contractors do pay for reservation fees
but let me reassure you it doesn't come anywhere near the cost.....
We provide all rooms , Linen, towels.showers,soap.water, electric, music, cleaning,chefs, advertising, taking bookings ,drivers , receptionists and even taken the hard work out, and the clients pay before they come in .........
I would like to see most ladies oragnise there own advertising ..answer their own phones.. and get a booking because trust me it is not that easy....
To say that a happy contractor would take less ...
Well my comment to this is .....
If contractors showed up to shift dressed ready on time...
Didn't sit down in the back area or be on their phone or computers when clients come in we would have a much more pleasant environment..
We go over the same thing time in and time out.....
We wouldn't get the shits....
So maybe you're right
maybe we should start looking at covering those losses....
Ms Sue
However I feel I need to reply to your post ..
Loyalty comes with a tag
I know this will sound harsh but lets look at this ....
Langtrees brings in 95% of clients
because the contractors do not bring back special requests
as they are to happy to take good clients privately ....
Yes contractors do pay for reservation fees
but let me reassure you it doesn't come anywhere near the cost.....
We provide all rooms , Linen, towels.showers,soap.water, electric, music, cleaning,chefs, advertising, taking bookings ,drivers , receptionists and even taken the hard work out, and the clients pay before they come in .........
I would like to see most ladies oragnise there own advertising ..answer their own phones.. and get a booking because trust me it is not that easy....
To say that a happy contractor would take less ...
Well my comment to this is .....
If contractors showed up to shift dressed ready on time...
Didn't sit down in the back area or be on their phone or computers when clients come in we would have a much more pleasant environment..
We go over the same thing time in and time out.....
We wouldn't get the shits....
So maybe you're right
maybe we should start looking at covering those losses....
Ms Sue
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Sue, I do understand where you are coming from and I do understand the frustration with contractors who don't fulfil their side of the bargain.
I guess what I wanted to say is that there always will be ladies who contract outside of Langtrees. There is no way to stop it. There is maybe something like damage control and maybe an initiative for ladies to bring their clients back to Langtrees might help. Hang on.......I know how that sounds and I haven't got an idea at the moment what this initiative might be. I just like to discuss and brainstorm the topic as I am sure it is a biggy and making it a topic might be a way to lessen the impact it has on Langtrees.
"we don't have problems.......we have solutions"
I guess what I wanted to say is that there always will be ladies who contract outside of Langtrees. There is no way to stop it. There is maybe something like damage control and maybe an initiative for ladies to bring their clients back to Langtrees might help. Hang on.......I know how that sounds and I haven't got an idea at the moment what this initiative might be. I just like to discuss and brainstorm the topic as I am sure it is a biggy and making it a topic might be a way to lessen the impact it has on Langtrees.
"we don't have problems.......we have solutions"
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estafarr
I agree Maryanne - beautiful women - handsome men - everyone together - clients - some good some goofy - sparks happen - LIFE in motion - I guess the goal is to build the 30% that do the right thing to be a 50% then the peer pressure adds to this...but I am no expert...
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Yes they Both are doing Wrong. That's Robbing from the Establishment........
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wr3xr
its a bit different when the item for sale is your services.
W/L are no different to many tradies really. If your a plumber and your charging $150 for a call out and only getting $50 its human nature to want more of the cut.
How many of you guys have payed a tradie from company X, cash?? You're no different to a guy cheating an establishment.
Thats how it starts. Bit of cash on the side and then they work for themselves. Those who work hard, advertise and provide a good service do ok. Those who dont, well they end up working for the man again.
I'd imagine in the sex industry, profitability is very good so i wouldnt worry too much
scarlett lee
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The sheer number of gentlemen I've met at Langtree's who ask if it is possible to organise private bookings would tend to suggest that they have a fairly high success strike rate with girls who do agree to this. Hmmn, not a good sign. Not only do I consider it unethical and a slap in the face to the hard working management who provide us with such a great place to work, I personally like to maintain a strict division between the two sides of my life. When I'm here I'm Scarlett the happy, horny harlot but once I walk out the door I tend to leave that part of me behind. I'm not sure I can even understand how, let alone why some girls seem to think it's okay to 'take work home with them' as it were. . .
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estafarr
Well said Scarlett the Magnificent...you are obviously one of the 30% - let your thoughts be known...
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Driver Harry
To be honest I've know this to happen and 9 times out of ten the lady ends up calling that private client a stalker, so I believe in karma. Also nearly all the ladies that have come from Langtrees to go private usually come back to make money. Some very thought provoking comments on this thread. IMO I think...
As for Drivers seeing ladies, oh yeah that's always worked out!
As for Drivers seeing ladies, oh yeah that's always worked out!
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I12345
Many of the ladies in brothels only have minimal shifts .... can be confirmed by checking the LT rosters ... sometimes your availability just cannot marry up with the lady of choice ... option ... go private
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iwtt69
Question...
I understand about loyalty and all..but, is it both ways?
I mean, if someone comes in and you know the person is a once a week punter..and ask for say.. Mary... And the house knows Mary not working till say, tomorrow..
Will the house ask him to come back or try and intro him to another gal? Which in the later case, house still make the money but Mary loose out...
I understand about loyalty and all..but, is it both ways?
I mean, if someone comes in and you know the person is a once a week punter..and ask for say.. Mary... And the house knows Mary not working till say, tomorrow..
Will the house ask him to come back or try and intro him to another gal? Which in the later case, house still make the money but Mary loose out...
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Guess which establishment you go to, those that pay there Ladies well usually do the right thing. Those that don't get looked after very well are always going to look for the odd private job. Which i think is fair, there has been a couple of places where this has happened to me and it has worked out well for both parties. So to me if the Ladies are well looked after and not over the top in prices i have found most do the righty, though there is going to be times when you connect with a Lady that usually will end up in a private situation.
If a guy comes to a establishment and he gets the ladies number and sees her privately...
Is the Lady cheating the house
or is it
The client robbing the house....
Love some comments
Ms Sue
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...when I drove for LTs, the rule was clear...no involvement (booking or otherwise) with the ladies. I was employed to do a specific job and this was a condition of the engagement. I was lucky enough to meet some great ladies but, regardless of what I thought about that condition, I adhered to it.
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I12345
It is not robbing if they are not looked after by the Establishment...many Establishments exploit both the WL & clientYes they Both are doing Wrong. That's Robbing from the Establishment........
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iwtt69
Hard to comment until someone replies to what I humbly asked...
Loyalty works both ways...
Loyalty works both ways...
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Lingham
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If the ladies were employed by the establishments, then I'd definitely say that taking some clients private was unethical. However, as the ladies are not employees and as I'm not aware of the terms of their agreements with the establishments, I'm undecided if the conduct is unethical.
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Adrianna Lush
BOTH!!!!!
i am a firm believer in not f*cking someone/business over and it is never worth it anyway.
It is the client cheating the business AND the girl cheeating the business.....why not just keep him as a good frequent regular!
i am a firm believer in not f*cking someone/business over and it is never worth it anyway.
It is the client cheating the business AND the girl cheeating the business.....why not just keep him as a good frequent regular!
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One rule works simple on Qld brothels when I used to work in there. If house find out ( and usually they do, sooner or later) that lady took her client from brothel into private job she gets fired on the same day. Full stop. I have seen it many times, when client gets tired of seeing same lady all the time, back to brothel and tell reception, I am tired seeing privately ....name..... Is there new girls in the house??? To me personally my security paramount and there is no way I will go and see client outside of establishment. My clients book me from 3-4 to maximum 27 hours, sometimes, it happens just to talk. I love talk, but my private life PRIVATE for a reason from my clients. And yes, I do give my number, since I am fly I'm fly out girl, but only because my clients want to make sure that I am in the house ( and if I am away they ask me recommend someone else) when they coming in and arrange overnight bookings. My opinion if you want to see clients privately work as independent private escort. I know some girls fall in love with their clients, but that's different story when relationship start it's exchange of energy rather than finance.-)
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Lucy Lake
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What a great forum topic, thanks Sue.
I recently had a client from Langtrees inbox me re: booking privately in Perth.
There is a duality when it comes to working from an establishment as essentially you as a WL are a sole trader and 'rent' the establishment. The establishment also takes a reservation fee for upkeep.
However, the clients who walk through the door are clients of the establishment, brought in by the establishments reputation and advertising (that is subsidised by our reservation fees).
My opinion is this - if the client came to you via the establishment, the client is 'a client of the establishment'.
However, this implies that if you are 'contracted' by the establishment, you cannot work privately. This I do not support. As a WL, I work in several locations across Australia. In NSW, I work privately. Things in NSW are very different and it is hard to find an establishment that is as professional and well run as Langtrees of Perth. Men are heavily involved in the running and ownership of establishments. This can present a whole range of dramas, and as a consequence, I decided to go private with a good friend of mine.
Does this mean we are ripping off the other establishments in the area, many of which we have worked in before?
I have had many clients who I did see in other establishments find me privately (and no, my work number was not given to them whilst working there) by word of mouth (one part of the industry that is quite often overlooked but absolutely integral) and by my own advertising. These clients have made thier own decision as to who they do and do not want to see, and where - and therefore it is my belief there is no wrong doing on our behalves.
Does working privately in another state or area equate to disloyalty to your 'contract' with an establishment?
It is by no means a black and white argument. What other industry has such an 'ownership mentality' towards sole traders? It comes down to the integrity of all three parties. The establishment, the client and the worker. If the establishment takes good care of the worker, I believe that care should be given back to the establishment. It is worthwhile to note that Langtrees of Perth is by far the best I have ever worked and I absolutely love it there, but not all girls are taken care of so well in other establishments across the country. Does such an establishment deserve the loyalty of its sole traders?
As to the integrity of the client, it can go both ways, according to the clients whim or mood on the day (or week, or month) and as such, they are free to persue thier own interests.
This is a wonderful study of human nature, of social interaction between men and women. Women are fiercely loyal creatures, men are widely known not to be. This is as true in the sex industry as in the real world. As women, we must be loyal to each other first and foremost. We are there on the front lines together, the clients (as integral as they are to the industry and therefore thier needs are to be considered) come and go. But, add to this the powerful nature of attraction and things can most certainly go pear shaped!
This is such a great topic, thank you Sue. It absolutely requires discussion as there is so much grey area.
In conclusion I will ask the question, will the establishment be there to protect you if something goes wrong? Look at the ladies behind reception of Langtrees of Perth. I compare them to lioness' in charge of a pride. They are there for you, and the establishment. Does the client have your best interests at heart?
I recently had a client from Langtrees inbox me re: booking privately in Perth.
There is a duality when it comes to working from an establishment as essentially you as a WL are a sole trader and 'rent' the establishment. The establishment also takes a reservation fee for upkeep.
However, the clients who walk through the door are clients of the establishment, brought in by the establishments reputation and advertising (that is subsidised by our reservation fees).
My opinion is this - if the client came to you via the establishment, the client is 'a client of the establishment'.
However, this implies that if you are 'contracted' by the establishment, you cannot work privately. This I do not support. As a WL, I work in several locations across Australia. In NSW, I work privately. Things in NSW are very different and it is hard to find an establishment that is as professional and well run as Langtrees of Perth. Men are heavily involved in the running and ownership of establishments. This can present a whole range of dramas, and as a consequence, I decided to go private with a good friend of mine.
Does this mean we are ripping off the other establishments in the area, many of which we have worked in before?
I have had many clients who I did see in other establishments find me privately (and no, my work number was not given to them whilst working there) by word of mouth (one part of the industry that is quite often overlooked but absolutely integral) and by my own advertising. These clients have made thier own decision as to who they do and do not want to see, and where - and therefore it is my belief there is no wrong doing on our behalves.
Does working privately in another state or area equate to disloyalty to your 'contract' with an establishment?
It is by no means a black and white argument. What other industry has such an 'ownership mentality' towards sole traders? It comes down to the integrity of all three parties. The establishment, the client and the worker. If the establishment takes good care of the worker, I believe that care should be given back to the establishment. It is worthwhile to note that Langtrees of Perth is by far the best I have ever worked and I absolutely love it there, but not all girls are taken care of so well in other establishments across the country. Does such an establishment deserve the loyalty of its sole traders?
As to the integrity of the client, it can go both ways, according to the clients whim or mood on the day (or week, or month) and as such, they are free to persue thier own interests.
This is a wonderful study of human nature, of social interaction between men and women. Women are fiercely loyal creatures, men are widely known not to be. This is as true in the sex industry as in the real world. As women, we must be loyal to each other first and foremost. We are there on the front lines together, the clients (as integral as they are to the industry and therefore thier needs are to be considered) come and go. But, add to this the powerful nature of attraction and things can most certainly go pear shaped!
This is such a great topic, thank you Sue. It absolutely requires discussion as there is so much grey area.
In conclusion I will ask the question, will the establishment be there to protect you if something goes wrong? Look at the ladies behind reception of Langtrees of Perth. I compare them to lioness' in charge of a pride. They are there for you, and the establishment. Does the client have your best interests at heart?