WA Updated push to get laws through...

[ecchimiki]

Oh for crying out loud...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-04/carles-conditional-support-for-prostitution-bill/3932822

Negotiations continue over prostitution bill
Updated 4 Apr 2012, 7:30pm

PHOTO: Adele Carles says she will support the bill if a shelter is set up for prostitutes leaving the industry. (AFP)
MAP: Perth 6000
Negotiations are continuing as the State Government attempts to win enough support to get its prostitution legislation through the Lower House.

It introduced a bill last year banning brothels in suburban areas, while allowing certain licensed premises to operate.

Liberal MPs are being given a conscience vote on the issue and two have indicated they will not vote for it in its current form, nor will the Opposition.

Backbencher Peter Abetz says he, fellow Liberal Graham Jacobs, and independent Janet Woollard are still pushing for a sunset clause.

"Prostitution would basically be phased out over a period of years," he said.

Independent MP Adele Carles says she would support the legislation if there were three amendments.

Ms Carles says she wants harsher penalties for brothel owners employing underage girls, changes that move the criminal focus onto the person paying for sex, and funding for a new women's shelter.

"I'd call on MPs to stop playing politics with this legislation, and stop having it just be about getting the numbers across the line and start looking at this issue from the point of view of the women in prostitution who are damaged by this industry," she said.

Ms Carles says she wants $5 million funding for the shelter to help prostitutes leave the industry.

"These are good faith amendments to try and do something for the women in this industry that damages them," she said.

"My amendments are about trying to get these women out of there, if they want to leave and they feel trapped through addictions or poverty, whatever the reason that they're trapped in there, I'm trying to support them out of there."

The Attorney General Christian Porter says he will consider the proposed amendments, especially the idea of a shelter.

Mr Porter is also in talks with the bill's other opponents and is expected to meet Mr Abetz, Mr Jacobs and Ms Woollard tomorrow.

 

[homer]

i reckon she's onto a good thing. I mean some w/l are working just to make ends meet, and some may not be willingly working. I can see her point. It's a positive move to have a funding to assist those in needs.

 

[Farm Boy]

Just wondering how she going to get 5,000,000 out of the state treasurer . and was that 1000K per year?

 

[ecchimiki]

Just wondering how she going to get 5,000,000 out of the state treasurer . and was that 1000K per year?

Same tactic as she used to get friendly with Troy Buswell?

 

[ecchimiki]

i reckon she's onto a good thing. I mean some w/l are working just to make ends meet, and some may not be willingly working. I can see her point. It's a positive move to have a funding to assist those in needs.

Three positive segments of a law that will crush the industry is NOT a positive thing, IMO.

 

[AlexandraSilk]

The photo to support the article includes a street walker. How very cliche to imply all WL's have addictions and walk the streets.

 

[ecchimiki]

Really great to see Maryanne step up and hear her speak on the topic on ABC Radio this morning.

 

[Cristal dirtyslut hotbabe]

It's a shame that that they don't see the other side of the sex industry. I'm not forced into being a hooker, I don't have any addictions (other than shoes...) and I certainly don't live in poverty lol, I probably earn more in a year than the PM does lol

I want to bang their heads together and scream. Bunch of arrogant, narrow minded fuckwits.

x

 

[Holford]

It's just outrageous the narrow minded approach these people are taking. Sure help those that want and need support, but the guise to stop prostitution is ridiculous. There are thousands of people in poverty doing jobs they don't want to do, being degraded working for arsholes but there is not attempt to support us in day to day jobs. Imagine how degrading it is to have to work for a politician, is there any legislation to phase out the horrific socially unacceptable job of a politician??

 

[ecchimiki]

And of course the only people giving feedback on radio are those for the legislation because of the stigma of defending the industry keeping others silent.

 

[Mrs Langtrees]

I have warned the industry for three years and at no time did anyone put their hand in their pocket to try to defend their rights, so they will have to live with it,if it does pass in the lower house they get one last chance in the upper house to defeat the motion, without a paid for lobbyist they have no chance........
I am not sure that even langtrees can survive...I have a few cards up my sleeve but this will only effect 6 places in WA as original containment houses...I think I prefer the state government having to compensate me...but we will have to see.
I was pissed off with Adele Carr, she is the only politician that said she would not support the bill up front and now she is selling us off for a personal agenda. I have no problems with shelters and support them but for her to use blackmail for something that isn't anything to do with this law stinks.

 

[Stwa]

Part 2 — General provisions about prostitution
8. Term used: public place
In this Part —
public place means —
(a) any place to which the public, or any section of the
public, have or are permitted to have access whether on
payment or otherwise; or
(b) a school, university or other place of education, other
than a part of it to which neither students nor the public
usually have access; or
(c) a privately owned place that is unoccupied or is
occupied by a person who is not an owner of the place
and does not have the authority of an owner.

9. Seeking prostitute in or in view of or within hearing of
public place
(1) A person must not, in or in the view or within hearing of a
public place, seek another person to act as a prostitute.
(2) A person who contravenes subsection (1) is guilty of a crime if
the person whom the offender sought to act as a prostitute, or
any of them if there were more than one, was a child at the time
the offence was committed.
Penalty:
(a) for a simple offence, imprisonment for 2 years;
(b) for a crime, imprisonment for 14 years.
(3) For the purposes of subsection (1), a person (the offender) seeks
another person to act as a prostitute if the offender —
(a) invites or requests another person to act as a prostitute;
or
Prostitution Bill 2011
Part 2 General provisions about prostitution
(b) loiters i 1 n or frequents a place for the purpose of, or with
the intention of —
(i) inviting or requesting another person to act as a
prostitute; or
(ii) receiving an invitation for another person to act
as a prostitute.
(4) It makes no difference —
(a) whether or not the offender is the prospective client; or
(b) whether or not a particular person is sought to act as a
prostitute; or
(c) whether the offender makes or intends to make the
invitation or request directly or through someone else to,
or intends to receive the invitation directly or through
someone else from, the person whom the offender seeks
to act as a prostitute.

10. Seeking client in or in view or within hearing of public place
(1) A person must not, in or in the view or within hearing of a
public place, seek another person to be a prostitute’s client.
Penalty:
(a) if the person whom the offender sought to be a
prostitute’s client, or any of them if there were more
than one, was a child at the time the offence was
committed, imprisonment for 3 years;
(b) in any other case, imprisonment for one year.
(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), a person (the offender) seeks
another person to be a prostitute’s client if the offender —
(a) invites or requests another person to be a prostitute’s
client; or
(b) loiters in or frequents a place for the purpose of, or with
the intention of —
(i) inviting or requesting another person to be a
prostitute’s client; or
Prostitution Bill 2011
General provisions about prostitution Part 2

(ii) 1 receiving an invitation for another person to be a
prostitute’s client.
(3) It makes no difference —
(a) whether or not the offender, or any particular person, is
the prospective prostitute; or
(b) whether or not a particular person is sought to be a
client; or
(c) whether the offender makes or intends to make the
invitation or request directly or through someone else to,
or intends to receive the invitation directly or through
someone else from, the person whom the offender seeks
to be a prostitute’s client.


So Adele Carr wants to change clause 10 and remove the imprisonment penalty for the seller. This is despite the fact that imprisonment penalty for the cilent is more harsh (I am assuming here that a 'simple offense' does not involve a child and is referring to 9.(1) )

What's scary is I actually think Porter will do it

 

[AlexandraSilk]

Really great to see Maryanne step up and hear her speak on the topic on ABC Radio this morning.

Hmmm ... I'm setting off to find a link to allow everyone to listen. Thank you Maryanne

And of course the only people giving feedback on radio are those for the legislation because of the stigma of defending the industry keeping others silent.

Well Gentleman/Ladies call and voice your opinion on why Prostitution should remain.

I have no problems with shelters and support them but for her to use blackmail for something that isn't anything to do with this law stinks.

It is a fabulous ploy she has designed

 

[TheCock]

nooooo! I will have money later this year!

 

[whilom]

I've busy for a few whiles and not paying much attention. From what I gather it appeares Adele Carr will only support the bill if it is ammended to the Swedish Model where the purchaser is fined or jailed.
Is this correct??
She evidently has other requirements that would virtually amount to payment for her vote.

And she is trying to control prostitution??? Great example!!

What if she gets her way.

Where will all the customers for the Aproved Brothels come from.
Strange to make a law and then give permission for it to be broken without punishment.

 

[Stwa]

According to WA Today, Adele Carr, just might get her way

 

[svengali]

Best hope at the moment is that Barney's hold on power is looking a bit shaky despite Labor being on the nose federally. Hopefully, if there is enough stink around this isue it will go onto the back burner until after the election at which time, hopefully, we can get rid of a few of the bible bashing no-hopers who are pushing for these regulations.

 

[JadeTV]

Hi all, what's the update on this? I put my relocation on hold pending the Oct/Nov Parliamentary sitting and then I heard it was on the agenda in March and it's still dragging on? Was there any response to the opposing petition/joint movement that was organised a few months ago?

Thanks so much
XX

Part 2 — General provisions about prostitution
8. Term used: public place
In this Part —
public place means —
(a) any place to which the public, or any section of the
public, have or are permitted to have access whether on
payment or otherwise; or
(b) a school, university or other place of education, other
than a part of it to which neither students nor the public
usually have access; or
(c) a privately owned place that is unoccupied or is
occupied by a person who is not an owner of the place
and does not have the authority of an owner.

9. Seeking prostitute in or in view of or within hearing of
public place
(1) A person must not, in or in the view or within hearing of a
public place, seek another person to act as a prostitute.
(2) A person who contravenes subsection (1) is guilty of a crime if
the person whom the offender sought to act as a prostitute, or
any of them if there were more than one, was a child at the time
the offence was committed.
Penalty:
(a) for a simple offence, imprisonment for 2 years;
(b) for a crime, imprisonment for 14 years.
(3) For the purposes of subsection (1), a person (the offender) seeks
another person to act as a prostitute if the offender —
(a) invites or requests another person to act as a prostitute;
or
Prostitution Bill 2011
Part 2 General provisions about prostitution
(b) loiters i 1 n or frequents a place for the purpose of, or with
the intention of —
(i) inviting or requesting another person to act as a
prostitute; or
(ii) receiving an invitation for another person to act
as a prostitute.
(4) It makes no difference —
(a) whether or not the offender is the prospective client; or
(b) whether or not a particular person is sought to act as a
prostitute; or
(c) whether the offender makes or intends to make the
invitation or request directly or through someone else to,
or intends to receive the invitation directly or through
someone else from, the person whom the offender seeks
to act as a prostitute.

10. Seeking client in or in view or within hearing of public place
(1) A person must not, in or in the view or within hearing of a
public place, seek another person to be a prostitute’s client.
Penalty:
(a) if the person whom the offender sought to be a
prostitute’s client, or any of them if there were more
than one, was a child at the time the offence was
committed, imprisonment for 3 years;
(b) in any other case, imprisonment for one year.
(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), a person (the offender) seeks
another person to be a prostitute’s client if the offender —
(a) invites or requests another person to be a prostitute’s
client; or
(b) loiters in or frequents a place for the purpose of, or with
the intention of —
(i) inviting or requesting another person to be a
prostitute’s client; or
Prostitution Bill 2011
General provisions about prostitution Part 2

(ii) 1 receiving an invitation for another person to be a
prostitute’s client.
(3) It makes no difference —
(a) whether or not the offender, or any particular person, is
the prospective prostitute; or
(b) whether or not a particular person is sought to be a
client; or
(c) whether the offender makes or intends to make the
invitation or request directly or through someone else to,
or intends to receive the invitation directly or through
someone else from, the person whom the offender seeks
to be a prostitute’s client.


So Adele Carr wants to change clause 10 and remove the imprisonment penalty for the seller. This is despite the fact that imprisonment penalty for the cilent is more harsh (I am assuming here that a 'simple offense' does not involve a child and is referring to 9.(1) )

What's scary is I actually think Porter will do it

 

[Gideeup]

There's some severe penalties in there !!