WA All Escorts and Escort Agencies Banned if the new law gets up

[Mrs Langtrees]

How are you going to respond from a agency/worker point of view and or a client view if they try to ban all escorting.
The fines are heavy with jail-able sentences for both the client and the lady?

 

[Ghost Protocol]

THEY all are already , this site is a ticking bomb, if passed

just time before they use this site to bust all the best places
sorry for being honest
j

 

[IanMoone]

If this law is passed it will send the whole industry underground and that will cause even more problems than it has at the moment. The police will be even further stretched that it is now and think of all the tax the government will lose.

 

[Mrs Langtrees]

sorry i dont follow your thoughts, escorts are not illegal and have never been illegal in WA...all business here advertise in the west australian newspaper so where is your thought going.

 

[IanMoone]

No escorts are not illegal but as far as I have read (and i know i should not believe anything i read in a newspaper so i'm really sorry for doing so) they want to limit the number of Brothels to certain area's and close down the rest.

 

[Rochelle]

You have got a point there, Ian. If the law goes through all they do is to push the industry underground which certainly will have the opposite effect to what they want to achieve (control).
There will never get rid of the industry nor will they be ever able to control it.....no matter what law they do come up with. Our trade has been around since human kind started to breath.......always on the fringe of society but always there. It is sad to see that even now certain people try to put the so called Christian morality over it..........like this lady politician (forgot her name, sorry.....started with W......something) who wants a dead line about making the industry illegal.......come on lady....get real.

R.xxxxxxxxx

 

[chris.shiherlis]

I completely agree with you Rochelle. There is now way these people can get rid of the industry, these stupid politicians are only going to cause more problems, for ladies and clients as the industry will definitely go underground.
Sadly things like this only happen in WA, it's like living several decades in the past... what a bunch of idiots!

 

[Fudd]

....and, sadly, we also contribute to these "stupid politicians" getting into power. Political parties know that a majority of voters are an apothetic lot. We bitch & moan about having to vote and, in most cases, probably dont even bother to examine a party's policies. Hence the tendency for parties to set their platforms according to the latest polls or who has the loudest voice.....no one keeps the bastards honest.

What a great way to govern a soceity! :BangHead:

Fudd

 

[AlexandraSilk]

There have been a number of clients who have already been in contact with me, asking what I plan to do if the bill is passed and can I still remain in contact with them if the bill is passed.

 

[IanMoone]

Alexandra. Could it not be that the industry has it's own governing body. One that works with the state to try and have a middle ground and police itself so that every one protected.

I do believe (not to upset anyone) that a register of W/L would be a good thing. Not as a way of control but a way for support. There must be some out there working that is not aware of the idiot around the courner that wants to take things too far, or help with medicals and such.

There are those out there that are abusing the industry, the sex traffickers. They hold not only adults but children in a situation that they should not be in and I think it is reasons like this that the state is trying to bring in this bill which is totally wrong for W.A.

 

[Saige]

Love registering SW is not going to have an effect on traffickers and tbe assoc in industry...they will keep doing what they do becuase what they do is is underground anyway.

Look at it from our oint of view...For me as an independent, they have no said I can work in city of perth (east, west, central) or Industrial area. I then register myslef..Ok, now look at this bill it pretty much represents the dsdtigma we face day to day.... I then have to lobby the council to allow me to work in the areas they have zoned "far enough from coummunity harm"...which we all know will not happen, I dont know any councillor that will risk possible electorate backlash. We then have to dispaly out licence for the public to see....Do you know the danger, the harrassment and oujr right to work in annonymity removed. ( I can see two things happening there crime org will come in demanding we need protection to extorate fees etc and possiblly what happens out the front of abortaion clinics where radical christians feel its there god given right to expose us).

Then the police can come in anytime...close the palce down, search etc etc....which then looks bad to the public as well and its a vicous cycle.

I agree if they are hell bent on registrating us then it is not a governement, uneducated and unsupportive body overseeing us but a seperate organise..There role is to improve standards in industry, privide education and advocacy, but also to oversee that conditions are being met..police do not need to storm in and demand to see everyones paperwork like they checking for illegal aliens....registering with them can be doen with them, and medical certifficates can be submitted to them. If people are not following conditions, warnings and contact made by them is not working then the can refer to police.

I am sorry I do not trust a government or council with my details...it also means that is documented about me for life and could very well affect something I may want to do in the future. I think that the better way to achieve exactly the same results is...for Brothels to be responsible for ensuring med checks, drug tests, proper identificatiion of workers is taken just like any other business, tax file number etc. And yes if they are audited or they are checked and not in place then the brothel and the girl can be fined.

The fact that this legislation was put together with such disdain to the industry and the workers in it...it is a document that you would have thought created in 1911 not 2011. And if it does go through, and my right to be a sex worker is taken away from me, I will sit back watch it completely backfire and cause such a huge disaster that there careers to I very well hope/should end too.

The exit funding....what a load of shit, a) when will they get it that we dont want to leave however for those when they are ready...there is that all ready set up in Jobs Austrlia Providers (old Jobnetowrk) there is fuding for training, employment guidance and everything they need to moe into another career pathway (of course it is also an implicaton that we are not very bright, educated girls with no skills to offer the local labout market) so agian they are feeding the stigma (as they need the public to keep that thought pattern of fus to gett there support) and they look like they are doing something for us.....when its just political fluff.


Funny....sex shops with glory holes, strip booths etc are allowed anywhere....no offence to them but really!!

I TRULY HOPE THE PUNTERS OF TALKIN SEX HAVE BEEN WRITING LETTERS, YOU DONT HAVE TO COMMENT ON BILL IF YOU WANT TO BUT JUST TO LET THEM KNOW THE "NORMAL" PEOPLE ARE PUNTERS ARE AND THE GOOD EXPERIENCES YOU HAVE WITH US GIRLS, THE TYPE OF PEOPLE YOU PERCIEVE US TO BE ETC ETC......that will be a huge help too:notworthy


*** Is everyone still good for Tuesday...depending on numbers we can have it at my house or maybe we can have lunch somewhere and discuss over wine...ill bring lap top etc!!! If you dont want to face the polies that is fine but your input at the meeting is needed....

xxx

 

[alex001]

Having come from SA, where escorting and the like is actually illegal, the coppers probably won't come down hard. They may do initially to get the headlines on tv and in the local rags but they will soon find out other matters are more important than shutting down privates.

One of my regular wl who worked in the adelaide CBD (500 metres away from CIB headquarters) has called for help on occasion and the vice squad has come out to chase up the offender. Even though
it is technically illegal to offer her services, the coppers know that private wl's are doing no harm so tend to turn a blind eye. Hope that happens here in the wild west.

 

[whilom]

This about tells it the way it is.


living nextdoor to me - the Perth prostitute
i live and work from home as an escort in the suburbs.
i chose this career, and have worked discreetly and within the containment guidelines i am aware of in WA
with respect for my community, the law, and my fellow neighbours.

The Vice Squad have visited me in Perth in the past
(to research on who is working in the industry. i was asked to go to the Police Station.
instead i invited the Sergeant into my home)
and was assured that i was working without complaint, and lawfully.

i have moved around over the past 7 years as a private, in rental accommodation
(doesnt everyone until they can afford to buy their first home)
until i finally saved enough money to buy my home.

my private working life is sparodic, and very much part time.
i am not an escort who operates a MacDonalds drive through.
i discreetly see between one or 3 clients on various days perhaps
only 2.5 weeks per month which is only when i feel like it.
part-time work. many more cars visit my neighbours than my house.

and i am VERY CLEAR as to how to find my house. my clients
dont knock on the wrong door.

i chose this career path because i love the company of men,
have no sexual hang-ups, seek financial independence,
and as a child dreamed of the house my dolls were in, not the family in my doll-house.
i believe i have the best job in the world, and adore the fact that Australia has given me the freedom
to choose my own path in a wonderfully democratic country.

apparently this choice i have enjoyed is pitched for change in WA.
sadly the process of legalising this industry will not give me the legal right to keep working as i have,
privately, and discreetly in my home, as the laws will now make it ILLEGAL for me
to continue working in the capacity that i have been.

the new laws will effectively put me out of a job. perhaps my government prefers i collect unemployment benefit,
and contribute to the burden of taxpaying dollars. i am not university educated, and my work choices would be retail,
where i would not be able to save for my future, and would eventually become a financial burden of the already
threatened pension system when i reach my pensioner years. i have no superannuation - dumb fees ate it all up,
and would not be able to obtain financial security working in retail.

i am not feeling sorry for myself.

i am just asking the general public to PLEASE REALISE that in todays modern society,
many women CHOOSE this career, and maintain it with dignity, because as modern young women,
we have learnt we have choices and rights as females to be independent and resourceful in our own way.

i am a good looking girl. i have appeared on magazine covers. but i could not afford my true financial
independence appearing in magazines. It pays poorly, like acting, and is sporadic work for the majority
of which i am a realist, so i decided i love men, love sex, love myself, and love attention.

i have no qualms about the fact that i wasnt a supermodel, a brain surgeon, or an intellectual.
i love me and the life i have in this beautiful city.

lots of girls now choose to do this without duress. i am not victim of drugs, abuse, pimps, violence, or anything else.
unfortunately i seems i may be now become a victim of a backward decision against my right to choose
to be an assertive female who is happily reaching her goals within the law.

when the law changes i will be potentially a law breaker.
legalising this industry just opens the door to legal prosecution;
you cannot prosecute without legislation, and this legislation will
send me to prison.

it will turn myself - a law abiding citizen - into a criminal.
because the government needs legislation to prosecute.

unfortunately i will be prosecuted for what i do now,
which i confuses me and offends me because i am a law-abiding, tax paying Australian citizen.

i fully agree that the residential Asian brothels that have popped up and do operate like McDonald drive-thru's
are a blight on this industry.

i am devestated that women are trafficked though these illegal houses
(illegal because they have more than one person working in them, and are operated by unscrupulous pimps).

and i certainly myself would not like to live next door to one.

these operations may have 5 girls working in them, doing half hours and hour bookings for bargain basement rates,
and for each girl, clients can turn up without appointments, and wait in a waiting room,
creating 24 hour traffic to a peaceful residential street where families live,
and consequently cause harassment and fear to local residents.

i am not jealous of these places taking away my income. my rate is so much higher
than theirs, so we dont share the same clientelle. i am devestated that my Government
does nothing to protect the VICTIMISATION and ABUSE of Asian girls.

we are all of the same value as human beings. why do they continue to suffer abuse
in Australia - a so called democtatic lawful, and pro-human rights First World Country?

this is the immediate issue, yet the government is going to blanket ban Australian private working girls,
who pay tax, are genuine citizens (not illegally working trafficked girls),
and are truly independent and protect their livelihood with ABSOLUTE discression at all times.

how hard is it to crack down on illegal trafficking of Asian women in Australia?
Did anyone watch Four Corners recently. I cried.

Victorian Laws changed years ago, yet the Asian trafficking still exits.
Australian working girls in Victoria are restricted and prosecuted diligently and with priority,
yet still the trafficking of prostitutes from overseas runs rampant in that state.

perhaps, sadly it is just easier to prosecute the law abiding Australian escort in todays society
than it is to spend valuable resources on chasing, and successfully catching real perpetrators of prostitutional abuse.

i understand that this occupation is not accepted by society, and may not ever be. sex will always be controversial
- even though God gifted it to the human race to enjoy.

but as todays society liberates the current issues of many people in leaps and bounds
(gay rights/marriage, boat people, violent criminals rights, whatever etc),
it currently choses to send girls like me back into the dark ages, dictating that we are immoral, drug addicts, who are a blight
(tax paying blight? yeah right! now i am really confused) on todays society.

siennasydney.com
perth escort

 

[AlexandraSilk]

I do believe (not to upset anyone) that a register of W/L would be a good thing. Not as a way of control but a way for support.

Yes, I agree Ian. Regulation if done correctly could clean up the industry. If the industry is to become regulated this is what I would like see eventuate.

1. A guarantee all private details remain protected from the general public.
2. All details should be wiped from the list after 2 years of inactivity.
3. To remain registered regular health checks would be required.
4. If a girl/guy has a positive test she is to be suspended from the industry until a clean medical certificate is provided.
5. It must be noted on a database viewable by clients/public that license number xyz has provided a positive medical test.
6. If a girl has 3 positive medical tests she is refused re-license.
7. Registered workers will provide their working address to the regulating board.
8. A database viewable by clients/public with the WL stage name, current phone number plus any positive medical test results.
9. Possibly limit the number of licenses per address. Ie No more then 2/3 private workers per apartment block.

 

[Fudd]

....I totally agree with Alexandra's points. Further the Privacy Act already has the mechanisms in place that require the public sector (and private sector also) to implement to protect a person's privacy.

Fudd

 

[Alecia the Foxx]

How depressing. I am putting off my Perth visit until I hear something more positive.

 

[whilom]

How depressing. I am putting off my Perth visit until I hear something more positive.

Still come Foxx, Before Xmas if possible.
This still has to be passed and until it does all is good..
There will probably be some changes that have to be agreed on.
Brendan Crills from the Nationals will want to screw Barnet for a few million extra $$$ for the country folks before he votes for it.
I guess the independants will have something they want.
The Greens will have an agenda also.
No one is going to pass up on a chance to get something from Barnett for their vote.
It's the nature of the beast.
Its going to cost him and the taxpayer millions.

Q

 

[sexnut]

How depressing. I am putting off my Perth visit until I hear something more positive.

You can still clean houses naked! There's no law against that I don't think?ccasion14

 

[chris.shiherlis]

Good points Alexandra!

Any prositution laws to be passed should definitely address these and also human trafficking/salvery issues such as the ones portrayed in four corners on abc.

 

[Holford]

There are some very good points made here, unfortunately the govt can't be trusted with privacy details in this area as there is a huge agenda by the religious extremists to outlaw prostitution altogether. We all know this is impossible and impractible but these people do not understand this, look at al our social cultural changes of late. The impact will be turning innocent, good social citizens being criminalised.

There are sufficient laws for police and govt to address the issues like slavery, the problem is there is no intent or ability to do so it takes effort and work. The govt of the day want quick easy solutions to look good in the public eye (SPIN). Since when is consenting adults having sex a bad social picture. I prefer brothels than juvenal parties or UFC cage fights next door. Like someone said we are in 2011.

This legislation is a blight on our society and freedoms which will not address the issues they say. Will the pollys reading this forum please take stock and revue this legislation.

 

[Hornyball]

It's a bummer that this topic is such a socially unacceptable topic as I am sure if confidence or privacy was guaranteed we punters could make far more noise and influence with our pollies, pity our voted reps can not represent us as we wish, who says we live in a democracy...

 

[Tannerone]

I can see this legislation going the way of the Child Sex Offenders. The latest legislation will allow anyone to get details, including a photo, of all Offenders in their local area. Next thing, they will be all through the Internet.

I can see all Working Ladies having to provide a photo ID before registration is granted. Watch out Ladies or you'll be the next for the "Name and Shame" Club.

The sooner the Barnett Orwellism is overthrown, the better.

Tannerone

 

[Saige]

I have had the most postiive day inregards to lobbying agaainst this leg...I have met and had such support from workers, comunity organisations etc etc....and the information that I have gathered and put out together teamed with a personalisation of meeting some girls...is going to be, I think a really a really big impact. Will keep you all posted on our meeting tomorrow.

I want to thank everyone for their support....much love!!!

xxx