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Jamie Jackson

Jamie Jackson

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I feel like Telegram probably isnā€™t the place to find a lady.
 
dmack

dmack

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Is there designated WL ā€˜channelsā€™ or ā€˜serversā€™ like in Discord or do you have to know the name/ number of those you are contacting?
 
Billym

Billym

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Yeh....good idea...give some Russians your phone number....and download an app onto your phone....and they can know exactly where your are all the time... And let them monitor your communications....with hookers. Genius.
 
JDjokes83

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Billym said:
Yeh....good idea...give some Russians your phone number....and download an app onto your phone....and they can know exactly where your are all the time... And let them monitor your communications....with hookers. Genius.
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Well when you put it that way...
 
TotalGold

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Billym said:
Yeh....good idea...give some Russians your phone number....and download an app onto your phone....and they can know exactly where your are all the time... And let them monitor your communications....with hookers. Genius.
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To make it worse, Telegram does not encrypt its messages unless you dig into the settings and choose "secret messages."

None of their group chats are encrypted. You should consider anything you post there to be as public as a Facebook or twitter/X post. The same is true of Discord by the way.

Now that Pavel Durov (owner and founder) has been arrested by French authorities it's best to assume that their entire server logs are being scanned by every intelligence agency with an information sharing agreement with France. All messages on Telegram are linked to your real phone number.

Now, they probably don't care that JDjokes83 got a happy ending massage last Wednesday, but let's imagine that the AFP decided to investigate Asian students on non-work visas and wanted to get some incriminating evidence.....

Yeah... Telegram was always a bad idea for this kind of communication. It is especially bad now.
 
edbanger

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TotalGold said:
To make it worse, Telegram does not encrypt its messages unless you dig into the settings and choose "secret messages."

None of their group chats are encrypted. You should consider anything you post there to be as public as a Facebook or twitter/X post. The same is true of Discord by the way.

Now that Pavel Durov (owner and founder) has been arrested by French authorities it's best to assume that their entire server logs are being scanned by every intelligence agency with an information sharing agreement with France. All messages on Telegram are linked to your real phone number.

Now, they probably don't care that JDjokes83 got a happy ending massage last Wednesday, but let's imagine that the AFP decided to investigate Asian students on non-work visas and wanted to get some incriminating evidence.....

Yeah... Telegram was always a bad idea for this kind of communication. It is especially bad now.
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Have you even used Telegram before? All chats are end to end encrypted. Which is why the founder has been arrested in the first place, for enabling "criminal" activity through the app without a government/law enforcement sanctioned back door.
 
TotalGold

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edbanger said:
Have you even used Telegram before? All chats are end to end encrypted. Which is why the founder has been arrested in the first place, for enabling "criminal" activity through the app without a government/law enforcement sanctioned back door.
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Yes, I've used it extensively and I'm a software dev. This has been very poorly reported by the non-technical media and Telegram uses very sneaky language to describe its encryption and privacy methods so it's understandable that you've been misled.

Telegram has advertised itself as being encrypted based on a technicality. It encrypts messages between your device and Telegram's server (same as twitter, Facebook, and talkinsex.com) but this is NOT the same as end to end encryption. If you read their FAQ carefully they admit this here: https://telegram.org/faq#q-so-how-do-you-encrypt-data

The important point is that messages are not end-to-end encrypted unless you go into the settings and select "secret chats" in the settings. You can read about secret chats here on telegram's site: https://telegram.org/faq#secret-chats. And here in their privacy policy: https://telegram.org/privacy#3-3-2-secret-chats If, as you have claimed, Telegram was end to end encrypted by default, there would be no need for "secret chats." Importantly, secret chats can only be used between two people. [Edit: And also secret chats only used when both participants are online with the telegram app open!]

All group chats are unencrypted and all non-secret chats are stored on their server. See here on telegram's privacy policy: https://telegram.org/privacy#3-3-4-public-chats which states "All public chats are cloud chats" Now they claim that these cloud chats are also encrypted in storage but the important point here is that Telegram owns the encryption key for data stored on their own servers. It is only private until they are legally compelled to hand over this key.

Telegram has used legal loopholes to avoid handing over their server logs to law enforcement in the past by claiming that the data is stored in multiple foreign countries and that subpoenas would be necessary in each country in order to force them to hand it over. This is why Pavel Durov was arrested. Now that he is in custody we should assume that that the server logs are in the hands of law enforcement.

If my ADHD and Aspergers-fueled info dump is still not enough to convince you, LOL, you can read a more in depth technical analysis of their unencrypted status here: https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2024/08/25/telegram-is-not-really-an-encrypted-messaging-app/
 
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OMGIlovenudity

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TotalGold said:
Yes, I've used it extensively and I'm a software dev. This has been very poorly reported by the non-technical media and Telegram uses very sneaky language to describe its encryption and privacy methods so it's understandable that you've been misled.

Telegram has advertised itself as being encrypted based on a technicality. It encrypts messages between your device and Telegram's server (same as twitter, Facebook, and talkinsex.com) but this is NOT the same as end to end encryption. If you read their FAQ carefully they admit this here: https://telegram.org/faq#q-so-how-do-you-encrypt-data

The important point is that messages are not end-to-end encrypted unless you go into the settings and select "secret chats" in the settings. You can read about secret chats here on telegram's site: https://telegram.org/faq#secret-chats. And here in their privacy policy: https://telegram.org/privacy#3-3-2-secret-chats If, as you have claimed, Telegram was end to end encrypted by default, there would be no need for "secret chats." Importantly, secret chats can only be used between two people. [Edit: And also secret chats only used when both participants are online with the telegram app open!]

All group chats are unencrypted and all non-secret chats are stored on their server. See here on telegram's privacy policy: https://telegram.org/privacy#3-3-4-public-chats which states "All public chats are cloud chats" Now they claim that these cloud chats are also encrypted in storage but the important point here is that Telegram owns the encryption key for data stored on their own servers. It is only private until they are legally compelled to hand over this key.

Telegram has used legal loopholes to avoid handing over their server logs to law enforcement in the past by claiming that the data is stored in multiple foreign countries and that subpoenas would be necessary in each country in order to force them to hand it over. This is why Pavel Durov was arrested. Now that he is in custody we should assume that that the server logs are in the hands of law enforcement.

If my ADHD and Aspergers-fueled info dump is still not enough to convince you, LOL, you can read a more in depth technical analysis of their unencrypted status here: https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2024/08/25/telegram-is-not-really-an-encrypted-messaging-app/
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johnmatilda

johnmatilda

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TotalGold said:
Yes, I've used it extensively and I'm a software dev. This has been very poorly reported by the non-technical media and Telegram uses very sneaky language to describe its encryption and privacy methods so it's understandable that you've been misled.

Telegram has advertised itself as being encrypted based on a technicality. It encrypts messages between your device and Telegram's server (same as twitter, Facebook, and talkinsex.com) but this is NOT the same as end to end encryption. If you read their FAQ carefully they admit this here: https://telegram.org/faq#q-so-how-do-you-encrypt-data

The important point is that messages are not end-to-end encrypted unless you go into the settings and select "secret chats" in the settings. You can read about secret chats here on telegram's site: https://telegram.org/faq#secret-chats. And here in their privacy policy: https://telegram.org/privacy#3-3-2-secret-chats If, as you have claimed, Telegram was end to end encrypted by default, there would be no need for "secret chats." Importantly, secret chats can only be used between two people. [Edit: And also secret chats only used when both participants are online with the telegram app open!]

All group chats are unencrypted and all non-secret chats are stored on their server. See here on telegram's privacy policy: https://telegram.org/privacy#3-3-4-public-chats which states "All public chats are cloud chats" Now they claim that these cloud chats are also encrypted in storage but the important point here is that Telegram owns the encryption key for data stored on their own servers. It is only private until they are legally compelled to hand over this key.

Telegram has used legal loopholes to avoid handing over their server logs to law enforcement in the past by claiming that the data is stored in multiple foreign countries and that subpoenas would be necessary in each country in order to force them to hand it over. This is why Pavel Durov was arrested. Now that he is in custody we should assume that that the server logs are in the hands of law enforcement.

If my ADHD and Aspergers-fueled info dump is still not enough to convince you, LOL, you can read a more in depth technical analysis of their unencrypted status here: https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2024/08/25/telegram-is-not-really-an-encrypted-messaging-app/
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I agree with this man. He knows his šŸ’©!
 
Yorkshire Lad

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Word to the wise guys if anyone does venture onto telegram please be aware that itā€™s full of scammers so DO NOT prepay for anything including deposits, taxis, babysitter, hotels, petrol etc if you do see something you fancy, chances are you will never see the girl if you do.You will also have to wade through the dozens of content sellers, drug dealers and currency counterfeiters. All in all it can be an interesting way to relieve the boredom if youā€™re looking for something to ā€œinterestā€ you.
 
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