rub and tug... sorry I can't get the obsession

[bushseeker]

Can anyone explain to me the attraction? :
maybe it's just because I enjoy giving the massage and being able to talk to a lady that speaks and understands English. I also prefer to meet knowing exactly what is expected for how long for what cost.
perhaps I'm different but unless someone can explain it .... rub and tug I dont get it?

 

[Ventor Petrozza]

In the search for A+ females it's possible to meet one at an RnT.

 

[Lingham]

I agree with you, Bushie. I've never understood the attraction of RnT either. Maybe it is driven by price, I'm not sure. Far better in my view though to know what you're going to get, for how long, how much it is going to cost and to have a good conversation at the same time.

 

[bushseeker]

You say price but how much does it cost. The convoluted talk on here doesn't explain to me what the actual cost is with extras whatever.
It kind of seems the final cost is more than a great time with a caucasion

 

[Lingham]

From what we read on here, PT is a fixed price of $200 per hour and the AMPs vary a lot but are only marginally cheaper for an equivalent level of service. As I don't visit PT or the AMPs, I don't know for sure. No doubt other forum members can enlighten us.

 

[XLNC]

I have never visited an RnT provider (private or parlour) with the hope of getting FS, though I know many punters enjoy the thrill of the unknown. I like RnTs because I enjoy being massaged / rubbed / caressed by women and really enjoy the sensual teasing and tickling, building up to stroking and climax. Very relaxing and minimal work required on my part -- I'm a lazy sod that way -- though MLs who allow kissing and licking of their boobs and touching all over are generally my favourites.

And yes, price certainly plays a part: for $300 I can see the same hot blonde twice for an hour of RnT than one of FS. Of course, there are times when I'm just in the mood for FS, and then I'll visit someone who advertises accordingly -- ideally someone who offers both upfront, so I can check her out more economically in RnT mode first.

 

[bushseeker]

mmmm ok seems no ones actually been able so far to give me any reason to consider trying an amp. .
perhaps what I seek is different from what alot of guys idea is of seeing a lady

 

[Jaz]

Hi Bushseeker, I like your thread topic, however I have a sneaky suspicion that you might be a full service man, and I think generally, men either are, or they aren't. A lot of the gents we see a PT don't want full service. They all have their own individual circumstances and reasons for coming in, but I'd say one thing they have in common is the desire to relax and be looked after for a while without any pressure.

I haven't worked anywhere else in the industry other than at PT, so I'm certainly not in a position to compare intimate massage with full service, nor am I going to attempt to (consider that a disclaimer in case you think my opinion is wrong )

I feel that there aren't many situations in life where its ok to just lie there, relax an receive. In sexual situations there is almost always an aspect of giving and receiving. Also I don't feel it's terribly common to become aroused in a totally relaxed state. Often it can be energetic, and sometimes unfortunately there can be an aspect of "racing to the finish line".

What I love is how giving and caring massage is. The client gets to lie there and have their whole body pampered. They don't have to do a thing. As they become aroused they often do want to be involved in the giving aspect, because we are so programmed to do so. I'll be the first to admit that I find it really hard to just receive, so I understand how it feels, but even the best of givers need to be looked after sometimes. I think a lot of men feel a significant part of their sexual prowess is tied up in how well they can pleasure a woman. This is great for women! But it doesn't help men accept the vulnerability of laying there, not being allowed to give, and having to just relax. Those who manage it are often transported to a deliciously heightened state and I love it!

I enjoy the intimacy without having to worry about the sex part. There's no particular pressure to perform in any way, as the massage is about a whole body experience. Ooh, and I nearly forgot to mention the thrill of the tease! That's a really important aspect to me.

I get that what we do at PT is a bit different from other rnt places, so I apologise if this is in no way of any help. I just figured I might be able to contribute in the absence of many replies.

 

[XLNC]

Very well articulated, Jaz, you've struck several nails in the appropriate spot.

Will have to look you up if/when I next make it to Perth.

 

[Lingham]

Yes indeed, Jaz, a very articulate post, but it won't get me to visit PT or any other RnT establishment. Like Bushie, I just don't see the point; however, each to his/her own, and there is obviously a thriving demand for this service.

 

[Sir Cruiser]

Hi Bushseeker, I like your thread topic, however I have a sneaky suspicion that you might be a full service man, and I think generally, men either are, or they aren't. A lot of the gents we see a PT don't want full service. They all have their own individual circumstances and reasons for coming in, but I'd say one thing they have in common is the desire to relax and be looked after for a while without any pressure.

I haven't worked anywhere else in the industry other than at PT, so I'm certainly not in a position to compare intimate massage with full service, nor am I going to attempt to (consider that a disclaimer in case you think my opinion is wrong )

I feel that there aren't many situations in life where its ok to just lie there, relax an receive. In sexual situations there is almost always an aspect of giving and receiving. Also I don't feel it's terribly common to become aroused in a totally relaxed state. Often it can be energetic, and sometimes unfortunately there can be an aspect of "racing to the finish line".

What I love is how giving and caring massage is. The client gets to lie there and have their whole body pampered. They don't have to do a thing. As they become aroused they often do want to be involved in the giving aspect, because we are so programmed to do so. I'll be the first to admit that I find it really hard to just receive, so I understand how it feels, but even the best of givers need to be looked after sometimes. I think a lot of men feel a significant part of their sexual prowess is tied up in how well they can pleasure a woman. This is great for women! But it doesn't help men accept the vulnerability of laying there, not being allowed to give, and having to just relax. Those who manage it are often transported to a deliciously heightened state and I love it!

I enjoy the intimacy without having to worry about the sex part. There's no particular pressure to perform in any way, as the massage is about a whole body experience. Ooh, and I nearly forgot to mention the thrill of the tease! That's a really important aspect to me.

I get that what we do at PT is a bit different from other rnt places, so I apologise if this is in no way of any help. I just figured I might be able to contribute in the absence of many replies.

I agree that for me and possibly other guys, giving a woman pleasure is an important part of intimacy and it can be off putting to a guy like myself when that is either not allowed or does not happen. To just lay back and enjoy can be very enjoyable, I know that only too well Jaz, but some guys and TBH, myself, not being able to satisfy my partner is so hard, it is tantamount to failure on the guys part. I am one of those guys who thoroughly enjoy your attentions and the teasing, it is so fantastic but not being allowed (as I respect your boundary's) to reciprocate, well, you know. And I also agree that getting aroused during a massage is not feasible, at least for me, as I enjoy the act of the massage and do relax, sometimes too much.

As far as fs is concerned, I have had fs in the past in certain small amps but I always felt dirty and ashamed afterwards even though there is nothing wrong with it. It just did not feel right and I think that is because for me, there has to be a connection, probably most others do not need that, but I do. So whilst I can understand bushseeker's thread concept, I think it is totally down to the individual and what they are looking for more so than the cost of one compared to the other. I am happy to pay PT prices because I know what I am getting.

 

[Zeus]

Very interesting thread.
Well, let's take things a step further.
In my opinion a lap dance has got to be the biggest waste of time and money.
Not only is the guy (generally) not allowed to touch the lady, (let alone pleasure her), but after she has got the guy "all tuned on", the lap dance comes to an end. No happy ending - nothing.

What is the point??

 

[Sir Cruiser]

Very interesting thread.
Well, let's take things a step further.
In my opinion a lap dance has got to be the biggest waste of time and money.
Not only is the guy (generally) not allowed to touch the lady, (let alone pleasure her), but after she has got the guy "all tuned on", the lap dance comes to an end. No happy ending - nothing.

What is the point??

I guess there wood not be

 

[bushseeker]

Good response Jaz.
I guess thats why I seek out ametuers
they have not become hardened to just seeing guys as a wallet. and are more than willing to have fun and give fun ... the money's obviously necessary but thier opinion is then to have a great time both ways.
kind of like a pub pickup except they get to pay bills.
as such I could np more see a full service advertising wl than a rub and tug...
ive seen way more than enough hard core working ladys and with maybe one exception. .. no matter what they tell you and what they may even believe themselves the experience is no better than a very bad and expensive wank

 

[bushseeker]

I'd hazard a guess than proffesional perth working ladys cost and dud service is a massive reason for rub and tug popularity

 

[coolrunnings]

I have never visited an RnT provider (private or parlour) with the hope of getting FS, though I know many punters enjoy the thrill of the unknown. I like RnTs because I enjoy being massaged / rubbed / caressed by women and really enjoy the sensual teasing and tickling, building up to stroking and climax. Very relaxing and minimal work required on my part -- I'm a lazy sod that way -- though MLs who allow kissing and licking of their boobs and touching all over are generally my favourites.

And yes, price certainly plays a part: for $300 I can see the same hot blonde twice for an hour of RnT than one of FS. Of course, there are times when I'm just in the mood for FS, and then I'll visit someone who advertises accordingly -- ideally someone who offers both upfront, so I can check her out more economically in RnT mode first.

 

[coolrunnings]

Here here.....i think its a much more sensual service.

 

[Lingham]

Good response Jaz.
I guess thats why I seek out ametuers
they have not become hardened to just seeing guys as a wallet. and are more than willing to have fun and give fun ... the money's obviously necessary but thier opinion is then to have a great time both ways.
kind of like a pub pickup except they get to pay bills.
as such I could np more see a full service advertising wl than a rub and tug...
ive seen way more than enough hard core working ladys and with maybe one exception. .. no matter what they tell you and what they may even believe themselves the experience is no better than a very bad and expensive wank

I take your point about amateurs, Bushseeker, but feel your comment on professionals is a tad harsh. Yes, there are gold diggers and duds in the industry, but there are also some lovely ladies who provide an excellent service.

 

[bushseeker]

I can only coment on my personal experiences

 

[Farm Boy 2]

I can only coment on my personal experiences

Go find a veteran WL and try being nice .

 

[bushseeker]

Go find a veteran WL and try being nice .

Oh I'm always nice... thats how I'm often able to get far far more mileage for my money than your average punter.
but that still won't get me anywhere with a hard core veteran... just like anyone else they have learned how to work smarter not harder.
thats generally the experience. bushseeker seeks to avoid....

 

[Farm Boy 2]

Oh I'm always nice... thats how I'm often able to get far far more mileage for my money than your average punter.
but that still won't get me anywhere with a hard core veteran... just like anyone else they have learned how to work smarter not harder.
thats generally the experience. bushseeker seeks to avoid....

I rest my case

 

[bushseeker]

no case to rest. ive been seeing ladys for many years. I saw my first over 25 years ago.
I can't believe you presume to tell me something I don't know

 

[Obbie]

Some guys don't feel the need for a full service or a lady that fakes the fact that she's enjoying what your doing to her because its worth big dollars to her yes some do enjoy doing full service but there are some that don't that's why there is rnt not sure why so many but looking at the figures of what's paid some make a lot more money than others for doing less

 

[bushseeker]

Actually farm boy... I rest my case.. im the guy who just this week spent 14 sensational hours with 2 ladys for less than most people spend for an hour of luck Lustre by the numbers full service.
bushseeker knows what he seeks and how to go about it..
I even had the first lady driving me to the second ladys place....

 

[Farm Boy 2]

no case to rest. ive been seeing ladys for many years. I saw my first over 25 years ago.
I can't believe you presume to tell me something I don't know

A bit before 1990 ?

 

[Bree Brooks]

Very interesting thread.
Well, let's take things a step further.
In my opinion a lap dance has got to be the biggest waste of time and money.
Not only is the guy (generally) not allowed to touch the lady, (let alone pleasure her), but after she has got the guy "all tuned on", the lap dance comes to an end. No happy ending - nothing.

What is the point??

Some people really get a thrill from the attention and the rebelliousness of not quite crossing the line. It is also a form of entertainment, and sometimes that is what some people are looking for entertainment with a hint of sexuality. Plus, I would imagine that it is more common to go to the strip club with your mates and be cool than go to a brothel and be just as cool (some of the younger guys feel like paying for sex takes a blow to their pride especially if their mates would find out their paying).