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Religion...

billybones

Thrillseeker
Legend Member
Points
32
Religion... what`s yours??
Anyway since Australia is becoming such a multicultural place the question to ask is should religion still be taught in schools or is it a waste of money?
If it should be taught then how do you decide which one it should be without offending anybody?
 

Gina Ling

Gold Member
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0
In my country religion never been teach at school. That's must be teaching from the parent from what they do believe. If it be teaching they believe that is the forcing people must believe what the teacher or the principle are believing !!! I don't know is right or wrong ???
 

Farm Boy 2

Legend Member
Points
65
In my country religion never been teach at school. That's must be teaching from the parent from what they do believe. If it be teaching they believe that is the forcing people must believe what the teacher or the principle are believing !!! I don't know is right or wrong ???



Sasha most probably means teaching to inform as opposed to indoctrination
 

Gina Ling

Gold Member
Points
0
Religion is something very sensitive and easy to make the people misuderstanding I think. So better don't have any idea to say ....
 

Rochelle

Forum & Langtrees.com Administrator
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Legend Member
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Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
Karl Marx

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svengali

Foundation Member
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3
Personally I am a devout atheist but I respect the rights of other people to follow whatever spiritual path they wish.

My only objection to organised religions is the way children are conscripted into their parents' faith long before they achieve the maturity to critically evaluate information. In this way the beliefs become fixed as "facts" in their minds and this can hamper their development in later life.

As adults we should all be open to new ideas and audit our set of beliefs in the light of any new information which comes our way. It is not a sign of weakness to abandon a belief or attitude which has been shown to be wrong or unhelpful.
 

Selina Glitters

Bronze Member
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My ex husband is muslim & I am catholic. We separated 12 months ago. This year my kids will be celebrating their second christmas ever because we were never allowed to celebrate it. We eat loads of bacon and ham too now heh heh.

I think teaching religion is a great idea because as a child I was told no matter what I said or did even if no one was a round, God will always know about it. It made me feel bad when I did something wrong even if I didn't get found out for it. It gave me a conscience. However it shouldn't be forced upon anyone.
 

Dallas

Legend Member
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Personally I am a devout atheist but I respect the rights of other people to follow whatever spiritual path they wish.

My only objection to organised religions is the way children are conscripted into their parents' faith long before they achieve the maturity to critically evaluate information. In this way the beliefs become fixed as "facts" in their minds and this can hamper their development in later life.

As adults we should all be open to new ideas and audit our set of beliefs in the light of any new information which comes our way. It is not a sign of weakness to abandon a belief or attitude which has been shown to be wrong or unhelpful.

My thoughts exactly. My parents were desperate to send me off to religious education so I'd become like them - even Sunday school. I always felt that they thought the only way I'd believe it is if I was brainwashed. They still failed but caused me a lot of issues in the process.
 

Happy2

Legend Member
Points
23
Our whole moral code justice system even the laws we live by
Aren't they due to 2000+yrs of a Judeo/Christian belief system ?

May have worded this wrong Hope point comes across whether right or wrong(Who me? yes you. Again)
 

svengali

Foundation Member
Points
3
Our whole moral code justice system even the laws we live by
Aren't they due to 2000+yrs of a Judeo/Christian belief system ?

May have worded this wrong Hope point comes across whether right or wrong(Who me? yes you. Again)

Yep, dead right.

Back in the good ol' days of swords and sandals the Churches, as emissaries of "God" held a lot of power; even feudal lords, Kings and Emperors would be loath to cross them for fear of attracting divine retribution. This was an important check on the absolute power of rulers and was often used to temper their excesses towards the people.

Of course, some religious leaders also exploited it for their own gain. As the old saying goes "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Just think about the Spanish Inquisition for an example of what can happen when Churches get their hands on the controls.

When a group of noblemen forced the then English King John to sign the "Magna Carta" ( http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/magna_carta.htm ) a major part of their gripes concerned his forcing the closure of all Catholic Churches.

Therefore, it is hardly surprising that the Ten Commandments and other Christian principles (which I have no argument with) form the basis of much of our civil and criminal law. Similarly, the word of Allah as revealed to The Prophet Mohammed (a.k.a. The Qu'ran) forms the basis of the Sharia law practised in Muslim countries.

My only beef with modern Churches is that now that their glory days are behind them they are still trying to influence Government and in many cases they succeed. In a modern democratic State they should, like any other pressure group, have the right to put forward their point of view but they should not be allowed to force their views on us by way of laws. It does worry me how many senior Liberal pollies are apparently under the influence of religion and I hope they remember the importance of keeping Church and State separate.
 

Sir Cruiser

Legend Member
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0
I do not think that schools should only serve halal meat just because of one faith, it should be on the menu and the children be allowed to choose, other faiths should not have to eat something just because the education board do not want to upset a small minority. The same goes for religion, let people grow up first and then choose without having it forced upon them.
 

svengali

Foundation Member
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3
Yep, Halal is a thorny one. The problem is that, strictly speaking, if a food preparing area like a cafe or canteen wants halal certification it must meet some pretty strict criteria. For instance, as we all know, Muslims are forbidden from eating pork or pork products. However, to be halal, there must be no pork prepared or offered for sale anywhere on the premises. This is a bit tough on those of us who may like some bacon in our burger.

In my humble opinion, this is one area where some give and take is needed. Label the halal food accordingly for the benefit of the Muslims but hands off our pork snaggers. If they can't accept that then let them bring their own tucker to work or school, just as those with allergies and other special dietary needs already do. You can hardly expect a school or workplace to have a separate canteen for one group.

Likewise, holding back on celebrating Christian traditions like Christmas "to avoid offending non-Christians" is not necessary, in fact it is ridiculous in the extreme. Go to Israel or Saudi Arabia and see if they tone down their traditional celebrations for the benefit of the Christian minority- of course they don't and nor should they. As guests in a country minority groups should tolerate and accept the culture of the dominant group. In turn the majority can learn from these people and accept their practicing their cultural traditions.

Respect and Tolerance are both two-way streets.
 

Farm Boy 2

Legend Member
Points
65
Yep, Halal is a thorny one. The problem is that, strictly speaking, if a food preparing area like a cafe or canteen wants halal certification it must meet some pretty strict criteria. For instance, as we all know, Muslims are forbidden from eating pork or pork products. However, to be halal, there must be no pork prepared or offered for sale anywhere on the premises. This is a bit tough on those of us who may like some bacon in our burger.

In my humble opinion, this is one area where some give and take is needed. Label the halal food accordingly for the benefit of the Muslims but hands off our pork snaggers. If they can't accept that then let them bring their own tucker to work or school, just as those with allergies and other special dietary needs already do. You can hardly expect a school or workplace to have a separate canteen for one group.

Likewise, holding back on celebrating Christian traditions like Christmas "to avoid offending non-Christians" is not necessary, in fact it is ridiculous in the extreme. Go to Israel or Saudi Arabia and see if they tone down their traditional celebrations for the benefit of the Christian minority- of course they don't and nor should they. As guests in a country minority groups should tolerate and accept the culture of the dominant group. In turn the majority can learn from these people and accept their practicing their cultural traditions.

Respect and Tolerance are both two-way streets.




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Naughty Thoughts

My opinion is that schools should teach about religions, a good cross section of the major religions and some of the more noteable cults. Knowledge is power and knowing about how other people think and other people's backgrounds can help develop empathy.

Mind you, I think kids should also travel overseas to experience other cultures and respect their elders - I'm a bit radical like that... :D
 

Gina Ling

Gold Member
Points
0
Personally I am a devout atheist but I respect the rights of other people to follow whatever spiritual path they wish.

My only objection to organised religions is the way children are conscripted into their parents' faith long before they achieve the maturity to critically evaluate information. In this way the beliefs become fixed as "facts" in their minds and this can hamper their development in later life.

As adults we should all be open to new ideas and audit our set of beliefs in the light of any new information which comes our way. It is not a sign of weakness to abandon a belief or attitude which has been shown to be wrong or unhelpful.
Exactly : WHO AM I TO JUDGE !!!???
 
N

Naughty Thoughts

Maybe you can give Omniquantalism a try: if God is all powerful and all things are possible, then it's possible that all religions are correct simultaneously...
 

Ginger Spice

Here Comes Trouble
Legend Member
Points
0
I think I was christened as a child, but I dont follow a particular religion (dont go to church)

I do however spend a fair amount of time on my knees and screaming oh my god oh my god..... Could that be a religion?
 
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