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Police guessing games

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Driver Harry

Definitely a WTF moment... I wonder if they get a crystal ball during their training?

Truck driver films argument with highway patrol officer who fined him after ‘estimating’ his speed was over the limit

  • DAVID MEDDOWS
  • THE DAILY TELEGRAPH
  • FEBRUARY 23, 2015 11:29AM
Man disputes Policeman for estimating his speed
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Man disputes cop for estimating speed


“So I’m getting booked for not speeding. Is that what you’re trying to tell me?” Mr Smith asks the officer.

“You’re a senior constable...for guessing speed?”

“Expert. I’m an expert in the courts at estimating speed, yes,” the officer tells him.

“Well obviously I think you need a new job,” the truck driver fires back.

When Mr Smith asks the officer if he can see the radar proof that he was speeding, the senior constable says he wasn’t using the radar and had estimated his speed on the highway.

“You need to understand everything is based on my estimations,” he says.

“All the radar does is back up my estimation, that’s all it does.”

Mr Smith wrote on his Facebook page he was checking his speed using his onboard GPS and it hadn’t indicated he was over the limit.

“To set the record straight, I just finished checking the speed on the truck via Tom Tom web fleet and not once did the truck go over the said speed limit,” he wrote.

The policeman laughs when Mr Smith questions whether the officer’s sunglasses put him off and later when he points out the car has a defective front tyre.

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The officer said he had estimated the speed of Mr Smith. Picture: Facebook

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Mr Smith was fined $254 and lost three demerit points. Picture: Facebook

Mr Smith continues questioning the highway patrolman who tells him to take the matter to court if he has an issue with the fine or the method it was delivered.

“I will take it to court because I can’t get booked for not speeding,” Mr Smith says.

“You don’t worry mate because I can’t get booked for you guessing a speed.”

But it appears Mr Smith might be wrong.

A NSW Police spokesperson said Highway Patrol officers often use estimation when issuing fines and said the process is part of their training.

“All highway patrol operatives are considered subject matter experts in the eyes of the court in terms of estimating speed,” they said.

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NSW Police said Highway Patrol officers are trained to estimate speed and said it was common practice. Picture: Facebook

“This is included as a part of the training received by potential highway patrol officers.

“Any LIDAR or radar check that is done has to be reinforced with a valid speed estimation.”

The infringement Mr Smith was issued carries a fine of $254 and three demerit points.
 

johnlou

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Her I just read the article . how is it that the police can guesstamare what they want n how does the courts back them .
 

MikeB

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What ever happened to the presumption of innocence and proof 'beyond reasonable doubt' surely no jury could be convinced that there was any precision or accuracy in a 'guesstimate' even by a SME. If a jury could have doubt, why would a learned judge differ?
 

ozwarlock67

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This is going viral on facebook as well. The fines consultant is Scott Cooper and I think I may contact his website with my issue........two cars paralell to each other versus one laser gun. One booked (me) and one allowed to leave. Book both or none.
 

homer

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By his expertise of guestimation, he would make such a good salesman. I guess he could just guestimate to his quota for the day and call it a day in just one fine.
 

bushseeker

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Truckies an idiot.
ive been in that situation .. all you do is ask exactly how fast you were going.
unless you get an exact speed you just tell them thier an idiot
give me an exact speed or shut up and piss off
 

Happy2

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Your fine with that in WA bushseeker I think it's only NSW that trusts the judgement of a wallopper And allow his estimate as a legal judgment for want of a better word
 

Xtraman

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My son was living proof that that is crap lol
He went to court for careless driving (speeding) and my lawyers had a field day with it.
It was his and his passengers estimate........... got thrown out of court.

No evidence

XM
 

Alan Driver VIP Perth

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My son was living proof that that is crap lol
He went to court for careless driving (speeding) and my lawyers had a field day with it.
It was his and his passengers estimate........... got thrown out of court.

No evidence

XM
Bloody good lawyers. Who are they if I can ask?
 

Xtraman

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Bloody good lawyers. Who are they if I can ask?

Chris Baker & Associates :)
They got the street name wrong/ estimate of "chasing" him wrong and a few other minor things which made them look a bit Doh!
No laser readings either, all estimates.
 
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