Natural services

[Lacie Tomson]

I still do not understand why punters request (sometimes almost demand) natural services...
The thought of 'catching' something scares the absolute shit out of me. Sure a few can be dealt with, with a heavy dose of antibiotics, but the 'for life' stuff makes me feel ill at the thought.
It eludes me why a punter would want the run that chance. Of course there is probably more risk with a one nighter from the club, as we are regularly checked etc... but why would a client want to have that risk?

 

[Phoebe]

I still do not understand why punters request (sometimes almost demand) natural services...
The thought of 'catching' something scares the absolute shit out of me. Sure a few can be dealt with, with a heavy dose of antibiotics, but the 'for life' stuff makes me feel ill at the thought.
It eludes me why a punter would want the run that chance. Of course there is probably more risk with a one nighter from the club, as we are regularly checked etc... but why would a client want to have that risk?

Some clients think a true GFE is just that , all natural service, there are quite a few wl's in sydney in one place I know of that do Natural BJ and even Natural sex services, so its there and as you say - antibiotics - can get rid of most except the serious ones like Hep C and AIDS, and since there has been no really advert campaigns about these STD"S people are no longer caring or even thinking about it, plus the porn industry is to blame to, as is the internet where by most images are all natural including sex, and I think people are prepared to take the risk, including wl's as I have mentioned. If you look over backpage there are more and more oriental women wl's whom are offering natural you are silly to completion and even a growing number of them offering natural sex with Cum inside so its out there, which that means if one demographic are offering it some men think that all should offer that service, and these oriental women are offering it at lower rates than local ladies are offering protected services.. I dont know why this is occurring but agree with you why risk it, I just blame the images online and the sex porn industry in general.

 

[Lacie Tomson]

I have seen those backpage ads Phoebe... at ridiculous rates..
I understand that the guy would enjoy it more, but at the end of the day we are WL's. a good week could mean a LOT of men.
I guess in todays society every job has OHS, protection is probably our biggest.

 

[Phoebe]

I have seen those backpage ads Phoebe... at ridiculous rates..
I understand that the guy would enjoy it more, but at the end of the day we are WL's. a good week could mean a LOT of men.
I guess in todays society every job has OHS, protection is probably our biggest.

Yes and alot of men are just wanting a blow and go deal I know alot of men are not like this so I said some please don't slate me yes and the rates in Perth are low and these are very young girls some actually don't look 18 which is even sadder I feel. yes some WL"s I know in a good week can see over 25-30 clients so thats a lot of natural sex and you are not only shagging them but their partners too and so on and so on, yes every job has OHS issues but yours is one that your HIS-VIS vest is a thin condom which could mean the difference of a STD and some down time off work so no cash, and even potential pregnancy if you work while you ovulate so the risks for a woman in the industry is great indeed and the unseen issues such as mental and emotional turmoil waiting on blood and urine tests which while that is happening you can not work in some parlors. I blame porn and the internet..

 

[teach me]

i thnk perth is way over priced. iv traveled a fair bit. iv seen far better girls over east for less
and europe not to mention the quality of girls for 50 euro

 

[Phoebe]

i thnk perth is way over priced. iv traveled a fair bit. iv seen far better girls over east for less
and europe not to mention the quality of girls for 50 euro

Hmmmm prices wont change in Perth until a deep recession hits.

 

[Gobble_Doc]

I still do not understand why punters request (sometimes almost demand) natural services...
The thought of 'catching' something scares the absolute shit out of me. Sure a few can be dealt with, with a heavy dose of antibiotics, but the 'for life' stuff makes me feel ill at the thought.
It eludes me why a punter would want the run that chance. Of course there is probably more risk with a one nighter from the club, as we are regularly checked etc... but why would a client want to have that risk?

Hi Lacie,
As a punter, I have the same reaction when I see ladies advertising natural services. I can't accept or understand it.
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[Rod]

I just blame the images online and the sex porn industry in general.

Phoebe, porn has been around for ages. It's nothing to do with porn. It's about girls desperate for money in these hard times and punters (many of whom don't have gfs or wives) willing to play russian roulette with their lives. If you look at their ads, more than 80% of popular WLs offer you are silly as part of their services. A punter's probably thinking 'If I can stick it in her mouth without a dom, surely I can stick it in her vagina without one' Also, based on punter intel sharing, I'm told alot of WLs offer BBFS these days. Again, some punters may be thinking 'If WL X offers BBFS, I might as well ask WL Y to see if she also offers the same' . Cant entirely blame the punter for asking, can you?

 

[Phoebe]

Phoebe, porn has been around for ages. It's nothing to do with porn. It's about girls desperate for money in these hard times and punters (many of whom don't have gfs or wives) willing to play russian roulette with their lives. If you look at their ads, more than 80% of popular WLs offer you are silly as part of their services. A punter's probably thinking 'If I can stick it in her mouth without a dom, surely I can stick it in her vagina without one' Also, based on punter intel sharing, I'm told alot of WLs offer BBFS these days. Again, some punters may be thinking 'If WL X offers BBFS, I might as well ask WL Y to see if she also offers the same' . Cant entirely blame the punter for asking, can you?

I agree with your statement about porn but before the web you wanted porn you had to drive to a sex shop or a newsagent to buy it now its one click away these days and its hard core compared to what penthouse and playboy did back then, and the sex industry wants to do scenes without condoms... so its there.

I agree with you about what you say too, and I know one place in Sydney that girls offer you are silly and bbfs why I think so clients keep going back, but you are right you play russian roulette with your life, but in the case of a pub pickup loads of them are done without condoms too, so its all out there, I think too there has been no public mention of STD's of late so the focus isnt there either, so people become complacent and think condoms are only there to protect against pregnancy not STD's. The punter knows what he likes during oral sex and intercourse,so the wl offers it as she thinks if I do you are silly he come back if I say you keep coming back and you may get lucky for BBFS... part of game I think...

I don't have the answers. whos at fault if there is fault.

 

[Rod]

The punter knows what he likes during oral sex and intercourse,so the wl offers it as she thinks if I do you are silly he come back if I say you keep coming back and you may get lucky for BBFS... part of game I think.

Yep, repeat business and building a clientele base. That's what WLs are all about. As a punter, I've lost count of the number of times a WL told me 'If you book me again, I'll have a little surprise for you next time' They're usually referring to you are silly/CIMS or BBFS.

I receive (expected and surprise) BBBJs all the time without asking and a few offers of BBFS from WLs every now and then. I accept you are silly well aware of the risks involved but have never agreed to BBFS. I believe it's too risky. Although I usually enquire about DFK and DATY, I'd never ask or demand bareback service from a WL. I think its disrespectful.

 

[Keryn]

Correct me if I'm wrong but are we continually looking through rose coloured glasses? There is alarming increases in the spread of STI's from oral sex worldwide. In a professional environment whether it's an added bonus to reward repeat clients, maybe an offered extra or a client request, it's not okay. While I am a strong believer in the experience as a whole, it is irresponsible on a grand scale to engage in unprotected services.

Surely as an educated society we can find ways to indulge in mutual pleasure without risking our health & wellbeing.

 

[Phoebe]

Correct me if I'm wrong but are we continually looking through rose coloured glasses? There is alarming increases in the spread of STI's from oral sex worldwide. In a professional environment whether it's an added bonus to reward repeat clients, maybe an offered extra or a client request, it's not okay. While I am a strong believer in the experience as a whole, it is irresponsible on a grand scale to engage in unprotected services.

Surely as an educated society we can find ways to indulge in mutual pleasure without risking our health & wellbeing.

Some think Working ladies are always getting tested for STI's and monthly health checks, so they think the WL is clean no chance of ever getting anything from her, and at the start of bookings the service provider should do a visual health check on the client, ok its not a blood test but they look and think hes clean what the heck I will do you are silly with him and even more so do BBFS, but she can't be sure due to no blood tests...

what my question is to all working ladies say a client whom you saw on a regular basis had monthly swabs and blood tests like you do, and proved that by doctors certificates showing his real name and address would, and also you were not ovulating so no pregnancy chances, would you do you are silly and or BBFS this is like a thesis style question that is all its not me asking personally... as he would be as clean as you were...

 

[MrBig]

Correct me if I'm wrong but are we continually looking through rose coloured glasses? There is alarming increases in the spread of STI's from oral sex worldwide. In a professional environment whether it's an added bonus to reward repeat clients, maybe an offered extra or a client request, it's not okay. While I am a strong believer in the experience as a whole, it is irresponsible on a grand scale to engage in unprotected services.

Surely as an educated society we can find ways to indulge in mutual pleasure without risking our health & wellbeing.

Out of curiousity it would be interesting to know the Australian figures. International figures would be tainted by those highly populated third world countries.

 

[Keryn]

Out of curiousity it would be interesting to know the Australian figures. International figures would be tainted by those highly populated third world countries.

Thus far most studies & information I've been exposed too is related to Western society. It's interesting to note sharp increases among teenagers as the so called stigma of oral sex has given way to what is perceived a substitute for contraception. From this I would guess that education whether it be sex ed or health at school or the talk at home has not yet caught up with real life. I find it scary that we are exposing new generations to preventable infections, some life lasting.

I might add that I've also been privileged enough to hear information direct from the professionals in Canberra's Sexual Health Services who witness such increases first hand.

 

[Gobble_Doc]

Some think Working ladies are always getting tested for STI's and monthly health checks, so they think the WL is clean no chance of ever getting anything from her, and at the start of bookings the service provider should do a visual health check on the client, ok its not a blood test but they look and think hes clean what the heck I will do you are silly with him and even more so do BBFS, but she can't be sure due to no blood tests...

what my question is to all working ladies say a client whom you saw on a regular basis had monthly swabs and blood tests like you do, and proved that by doctors certificates showing his real name and address would, and also you were not ovulating so no pregnancy chances, would you do you are silly and or BBFS this is like a thesis style question that is all its not me asking personally... as he would be as clean as you were...

The thing about STI tests is that they only give a result about whether the individual had an STI on the day of the test. As I understand it, some of the tests can take a couple of weeks to get a result. If the punter or WL has had unprotected sex with anyone since the test it invalidates the result, because they could have caught an STI from that instance.
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[MrBig]

The thing about STI tests is that they only give a result about whether the individual had an STI on the day of the test. As I understand it, some of the tests can take a couple of weeks to get a result. If the punter or WL has had unprotected sex with anyone since the test it invalidates the result, because they could have caught an STI from that instance.
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Therefore "STI free" does not mean STI free so there's no point in taking the test for WLs.
It's different for the general public in circumstances where there is a significant period of abstinence from unprotected sex by both parties that wish to engage in such.

 

[Keryn]

Protected sex is responsible sex....no if, but or variables to this.

 

[Gobble_Doc]

Therefore "STI free" does not mean STI free so there's no point in taking the test for WLs.
It's different for the general public in circumstances where there is a significant period of abstinence from unprotected sex by both parties that wish to engage in such.

Agreed
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Protected sex is responsible sex....no if, but or variables to this.

I wholeheartedly agree with you too Keryn!
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[MrBig]

Protected sex is responsible sex....no if, but or variables to this.

I wholeheartedly agree with you too Keryn!
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I don't.
I like the idea of procreation be accomplished the old fashioned way, though IVF is necessary for some.

 

[Keryn]

I don't.
I like the idea of procreation be accomplished the old fashioned way, though IVF is necessary for some.

I'm all for procreation of any form but until one feels the are at that place protected sex is the way to go. The bonus with getting it done the old fashioned way means plenty of practice until you get it right.

 

[MrBig]

I'm all for procreation of any form but until one feels the are at that place protected sex is the way to go. The bonus with getting it done the old fashioned way means plenty of practice until you get it right.

The "swimmers" have an instinct of their own - no practice required - just as long as they're in the ball park. But I do like the way you think

 

[Taslyn Pierce]

I've noticed that the longer you're in the industry the more paranoid you get about getting diseases.
I've had the condom break and it freaked me out so badly that I took a week off work.

 

[MrJwhite]

To ask for naked oral and especially full service is abhorrent.
Not only to put ( the client ) at risk but also the WL.
And then the flow on effect.
To other clients, partners or even family.
Total irresponsible, for all those involved.
I know some ladies are desperate for mny but at the risk involved??

I hope this ridiculous attitude is stamped out by the WL's, the establishment owners and the selfish clients.

And for those who go to Pataya, Filippines and Indoneasia and pay girls $5 AU for young girls,

Words escape me

Ok, rant over.
Keep safe everyone.
Play safe.

 

[User184]

... could always try celibacy

 

[Phoebe]

no

 

[MrBig]

... could always try celibacy

I have periods of celibacy just as I have periods of not smoking unfortunately those periods of celibacy are getting longer and longer - unlike my non-smoking intervals.
I'd rather it be the other way round.

 

[funflyer]

I still do not understand why punters request (sometimes almost demand) natural services...
The thought of 'catching' something scares the absolute shit out of me. Sure a few can be dealt with, with a heavy dose of antibiotics, but the 'for life' stuff makes me feel ill at the thought.
It eludes me why a punter would want the run that chance. Of course there is probably more risk with a one nighter from the club, as we are regularly checked etc... but why would a client want to have that risk?

I fully support the practice of safe sex and would never expect a WL to provide it nor want to take the risk for myself. However, the truth is that having sex with a condom on is at least 90% less sensitive than natural sex. I can certainly understand why some punters ask for it, because at those times men think with their cocks not their brains and crave the real feeling. Anyway, the answer to the problem for me is not to go FS at all but to have a very erotic massage instead. On occasions when I do try to use a condom I usually give up after 5 minutes and finish with a hand job.

 

[Dallas]

This is just one aspect of a long term relationship that I really miss, the not having to worry about STI's and testing etc.

 

[Kylie Middleton]

I'm absolutely paranoid about sti's. Passing things on aside, if a girl gets something and it takes a few weeks to cure (assuming it's nothing too serious) that's still a few weeks where she can't work and probably thousands of dollars in lost earnings. It's definitely not worth whatever extras a client can offer to run that sort of risk.

 

[Gobble_Doc]

I'm absolutely paranoid about sti's. Passing things on aside, if a girl gets something and it takes a few weeks to cure (assuming it's nothing too serious) that's still a few weeks where she can't work and probably thousands of dollars in lost earnings. It's definitely not worth whatever extras a client can offer to run that sort of risk.

Yes, if they are the sort of WL that Intends stopping work whilst being treated!
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