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Is loneliness necessarily a bad thing

Buk

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Sitting outside by the gas heater (it's bloody cold) occasionally looking at the TV but more often looking at the picture of the W/L she (who I have been visiting regularly for a few years and have taken out for meals) sent to my mobile tonight, while she was working and while my wife sits inside watching whatever she watches on TV. This particular W/L and I travelled overseas last year for a week (that's another story); the best holiday of my life and yet it involved little sex.... Just a mountain of heart and fun (without wanting to sound too corny). In my married life the loneliness is like a dog from hell. Yet here I sit alone outside feeling lonely but still positive ( unrealistically??) having such a wonderful and loving friendship with this W/L . You get so alone at times it just makes sense. Tomorrow I'll feel happier then down I go again and so on. These moods of highs and lows I just accept but I do wonder, is loneliness necessarily a bad thing?
 

AxeMan

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Buk - I feel for you. Sometimes I think that I will one day be in the same situation as you.

I think being alone can be a good thing. This is where you have a chance to get to do what you want. It doesn't necessarily mean that you don't have involvement with others, you just do it on your terms.

But I think loneliness - which is an emotional state of feeling depressed at being alone - is not a good thing.

I suppose this is what Zeus' pic is getting at.
 

Aaron

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Buk - I think its interesting how certain people can make you feel different, even though you may be in a committed relationship.

At the end of the day this comes back to the old saying, "Sometimes you Don't know what you've got till its gone"

It's a weird feeling to be able to have your wife sitting on the couch with you being outside wanting the company of another. BUT this is where the chase is, and what naturally excites us as human beings. The mere fact that you CAN'T just have her is what excites you and forms that strong bond. We always want what we cant have, and that's because as humans we are programmed this way.

You need to start "Dating" your wife again. Look at it like you've only just met. Start to do all those things you did when you first met and your relationship will change. It's not just about the sex, but how that person makes you feel, and in your case this particular WL. I'm sure when she is with you she makes you feel like you are the King of the World, but I'm willing to bet you $1000 fast forward 10 years later, and you'll be on your phone and back on the forum with the same problem.
 

Buk

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Buk - I feel for you. Sometimes I think that I will one day be in the same situation as you.

I think being alone can be a good thing. This is where you have a chance to get to do what you want. It doesn't necessarily mean that you don't have involvement with others, you just do it on your terms.

But I think loneliness - which is an emotional state of feeling depressed at being alone - is not a good thing.

I suppose this is what Zeus' pic is getting at.
Thanks AxeMan, I am doing somethings on my own terms, much to the annoyance of my wife but it keeps my sanity.
 

Happy2

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I have to agree with the AxeMan
There can be a massive difference between being alone and loneliness
You can be quite content and live alone Yet you can be in a crowded room , a party for instance and be the loneliest person in the room
 

Buk

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Buk - I think its interesting how certain people can make you feel different, even though you may be in a committed relationship.

At the end of the day this comes back to the old saying, "Sometimes you Don't know what you've got till its gone"

It's a weird feeling to be able to have your wife sitting on the couch with you being outside wanting the company of another. BUT this is where the chase is, and what naturally excites us as human beings. The mere fact that you CAN'T just have her is what excites you and forms that strong bond. We always want what we cant have, and that's because as humans we are programmed this way.

You need to start "Dating" your wife again. Look at it like you've only just met. Start to do all those things you did when you first met and your relationship will change. It's not just about the sex, but how that person makes you feel, and in your case this particular WL. I'm sure when she is with you she makes you feel like you are the King of the World, but I'm willing to bet you $1000 fast forward 10 years later, and you'll be on your phone and back on the forum with the same problem.
Aaron you have made several very relevant observations. Yes, there is a degree of 'we always want what we can't have.' And the sexual satisfaction (I'm past the lust stage) which is non existent at home, is also a determining factor in my friendship with this W/L. Like you suggest, I have made a few attempts to put some life and meaning back into me and my wife's relationship but to little avail. Not all her fault, I admit. We are 'company' for each other, and financial security , I guess , as she sees it. Yet here I am, hanging out for my next visit to this lovely W/L because it involves laughter, banter, some in depth conversation, her supportive nature especially when I was experiencing a men's medical issue not so long ago, her touch and various approaches to sex....not always FS. We talk! Loneliness is so distant in these moments. And you are correct, she makes me feel like I'm King of the World. Perhaps your most pertinent point is that in 10 years this loving friendship with this W/L would be over, due to more of our age difference, I believe. But what's worse, another 10 years feeling blanketed by moods of loneliness and going through the motions at home or 10 years of feeling how I feel now when I'm with her?? And to hell after 10 years, play it by ear. Thanks Aaron and others for your thoughtful replies, much appreciated!
 

Dallas

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There's being alone which is often a good and healthy thing and then there's being lonely which means no love either romantic or family or close friends which is totally different. I enjoy being alone but I also experience the latter and mostly when you try and explain it to others, they confuse the two and often tell you that you need to learn to be alone while they are cuddling their child or holding hands with their partner etc and have no real concept of it. I think in your case though, and apologies if I've interpreted it wrongly but you feel lonely because you want the friendship and understanding with your wl friend to exist in your marriage.
 

Buk

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There's being alone which is often a good and healthy thing and then there's being lonely which means no love either romantic or family or close friends which is totally different. I enjoy being alone but I also experience the latter and mostly when you try and explain it to others, they confuse the two and often tell you that you need to learn to be alone while they are cuddling their child or holding hands with their partner etc and have no real concept of it. I think in your case though, and apologies if I've interpreted it wrongly but you feel lonely because you want the friendship and understanding with your wl friend to exist in your marriage.
Dallas you have interpreted it perfectly. I do enjoy my own company and being alone does not bother me. I have a variety of interests and a small group of close friends; some of whom have never met my wife. I'm at my loneliest at home, sadly, and this is a strange set-up/feeling which has been developing and increasing over the last few years (even before I met this particular WL). And yes, I have tried over time to develop a friendship and understanding in my marriage that I have with my WL friend. It failed for various reasons. I will confess that it crosses my mind that I'm paying for the love and friendship of my friend (it can be an expensive exercise), but she has to make a living and I feel it is money well spent for everything she gives to me in return. I prefer not to think of it as buying my way out of loneliness as she and I, after more than 3 years, have a wonderful rapport and total easiness in our sessions and away from her work. Yes, being alone and loneliness are two distinct differences. And one does have to like him/herself or you're in big trouble....as Skyhooks sang, Ego Is Not A Dirty Word. There is a great song sung by the late Harry Nilson called Loneliness, out of interest sake.
 

Rachy

Rachael Canberra
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Aaron you have made several very relevant observations. Yes, there is a degree of 'we always want what we can't have.' And the sexual satisfaction (I'm past the lust stage) which is non existent at home, is also a determining factor in my friendship with this W/L. Like you suggest, I have made a few attempts to put some life and meaning back into me and my wife's relationship but to little avail. Not all her fault, I admit. We are 'company' for each other, and financial security , I guess , as she sees it. Yet here I am, hanging out for my next visit to this lovely W/L because it involves laughter, banter, some in depth conversation, her supportive nature especially when I was experiencing a men's medical issue not so long ago, her touch and various approaches to sex....not always FS. We talk! Loneliness is so distant in these moments. And you are correct, she makes me feel like I'm King of the World. Perhaps your most pertinent point is that in 10 years this loving friendship with this W/L would be over, due to more of our age difference, I believe. But what's worse, another 10 years feeling blanketed by moods of loneliness and going through the motions at home or 10 years of feeling how I feel now when I'm with her?? And to hell after 10 years, play it by ear. Thanks Aaron and others for your thoughtful replies, much appreciated!


Im sorry and really i dont want to offend you but this post just makes me really annoyed. Yeah your lonely but without knowing the WHOLE story of your relationship and ONLY going off your initial post i would have to say ... put your big boy pants on and tuffen up princess. Instead of sitting out side by the fire wishing you were with someone else why not go inside and sit with your wife, hold her hand and talk... Even i can tell that you dont want to be in your relationship so imagine how your wife feels, Marriage is hard and far out it takes work and it can be so rewarding but with you wanting and wishing you were with someone else, Its not fair to the woman that YOU chose to marry to spend the rest of your life with, she at least deserves some respect.
You need to make a decision and you need to be honest with your wife, if you really feel oh so lonely being married.... leave, if you dont think the marriage is working ...tell her why.. give yourselves a chance to fix this....again if you still feel the same...Leave.
 

Buk

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Im sorry and really i dont want to offend you but this post just makes me really annoyed. Yeah your lonely but without knowing the WHOLE story of your relationship and ONLY going off your initial post i would have to say ... put your big boy pants on and tuffen up princess. Instead of sitting out side by the fire wishing you were with someone else why not go inside and sit with your wife, hold her hand and talk... Even i can tell that you dont want to be in your relationship so imagine how your wife feels, Marriage is hard and far out it takes work and it can be so rewarding but with you wanting and wishing you were with someone else, Its not fair to the woman that YOU chose to marry to spend the rest of your life with, she at least deserves some respect.
You need to make a decision and you need to be honest with your wife, if you really feel oh so lonely being married.... leave, if you dont think the marriage is working ...tell her why.. give yourselves a chance to fix this....again if you still feel the same...Leave.
You raise some very pertinent points. I have attempted to leave three times, twice in the last 12 months, telling her that I love her as the mother of my children but that I don't love her, my exact words. She cries, says she doesn't want me to go, I weaken and stay and nothing changes....even after I have discussed my concerns with our relationship. She prefers to ignore and I've given up. And that attitude began my punting. I am by no means perfect and as you say, you don't know the whole story as I have busted my guts to make the marriage work but as they say, it takes two to make a relationship work. Although I don't agree with your 'toughen up princess' comment, I do appreciate your input. Thanks.
 

Rachy

Rachael Canberra
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You raise some very pertinent points. I have attempted to leave three times, twice in the last 12 months, telling her that I love her as the mother of my children but that I don't love her, my exact words. She cries, says she doesn't want me to go, I weaken and stay and nothing changes....even after I have discussed my concerns with our relationship. She prefers to ignore and I've given up. And that attitude began my punting. I am by no means perfect and as you say, you don't know the whole story as I have busted my guts to make the marriage work but as they say, it takes two to make a relationship work. Although I don't agree with your 'toughen up princess' comment, I do appreciate your input. Thanks.


Appologies for the toughen up princess, like i said i dont know the background just what you wrote, maybe its time to tell her the Whole truth, everything including your punting etc, just know im not judging you so sorry if it sounded really harsh :)
 

Buk

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Appologies for the toughen up princess, like i said i dont know the background just what you wrote, maybe its time to tell her the Whole truth, everything including your punting etc, just know im not judging you so sorry if it sounded really harsh :)
No offence taken rachy. I did start the thread as a concern but can see how I, no one else, may have turned it into sounding like a whinge - fest from me, which I never meant to. My apologies.
 

Aaron

Canberra
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Buk - everyone Interprets things differently. Personally I did not see you having a whinge, more seeking answers to your questions. Love can be complicated and from other threads on the forum, you wouldn't be the first to bring up such topic. Someone recently posted about being in love with 2 people at once, and was this possible. Everyone see's things in their own light and has their own personal morals and views. With that said, I agree with rachy in the sense that you need to establish what you want moving forward. The fact you stay each time your wife gets upset to me indicates their is still some small spark there, as if you wanted to leave so badly, no matter how upset she got, you'd still be able to walk away.

It's not going to be an easy task by any means, but as you rightly said, She is the mother of your children, and my comment about 10 years wasn't about it being OVER, it was more about finding yourself in the SAME place you are in now, I.E - You've become BORED with the W/L if you chose to date her. Rewind the clock back to when you met your wife on your first date and I BET you never thought you'd ever get bored with her.... =)
 

indigo

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No offense buk,
You are very lucky to have a faithful wife caring for yr kids.
Just imagine if yr other half did the same thing.....
Being humans we have to be contended and happy and cherish what we have..such is life and evolution.....
In utmost honesty....given the choice no men would like to live with a single women for more then a year.....and the cycle never ends....that's why we marry to be perceived as sane and conform to society standards.....
Just my thought....
 

Buk

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No offense buk,
You are very lucky to have a faithful wife caring for yr kids.
Just imagine if yr other half did the same thing.....
Being humans we have to be contended and happy and cherish what we have..such is life and evolution.....
In utmost honesty....given the choice no men would like to live with a single women for more then a year.....and the cycle never ends....that's why we marry to be perceived as sane and conform to society standards.....
Just my thought....
No offence taken.
 

Alexis Lily

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Buk - everyone Interprets things differently. Personally I did not see you having a whinge, more seeking answers to your questions. Love can be complicated and from other threads on the forum, you wouldn't be the first to bring up such topic. Someone recently posted about being in love with 2 people at once, and was this possible. Everyone see's things in their own light and has their own personal morals and views. With that said, I agree with rachy in the sense that you need to establish what you want moving forward. The fact you stay each time your wife gets upset to me indicates their is still some small spark there, as if you wanted to leave so badly, no matter how upset she got, you'd still be able to walk away.

It's not going to be an easy task by any means, but as you rightly said, She is the mother of your children, and my comment about 10 years wasn't about it being OVER, it was more about finding yourself in the SAME place you are in now, I.E - You've become BORED with the W/L if you chose to date her. Rewind the clock back to when you met your wife on your first date and I BET you never thought you'd ever get bored with her.... =)
counseller Aaron... ever always solid advice...
whether you be pimpin the hookers and holding their shit together or sorting out lovely punters on the site..
u just got the solid advice huh.. hehe
 

Alexis Lily

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Appologies for the toughen up princess, like i said i dont know the background just what you wrote, maybe its time to tell her the Whole truth, everything including your punting etc, just know im not judging you so sorry if it sounded really harsh :)
I agree Rach too...
Having been on both sides... Having had married men fall for me as both an escort and before my working girl days in life... I always believe in full honesty when times are tough..
However I have to admit as an escort, I truly truly understand why men feel the need to spend time with us.... yet.... I dont know how I could feel about my husband one day doing the same....................
 

Buk

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I read posts like yours Buk and realise how blessed I was with my wife of 28 years
Good luck to the both of you
You were indeed blessed, happy2. It was not all doom and gloom for me/us. 15-20 years everything seemed to work for both of us. Our kids have since left home and I would've thought the perfect opportunity to rekindle the flame, spice things up in the bedroom, do more things together....but the endeavours have to be reciprocal for positive outcomes. As the saying goes, 'It takes two to tango' and as much as I, for a considerable time encouraged what I thought were positive responses, it became obvious I had been left to 'dance by myself'; unless it was to her tune. I can possibly see how my comments and attitude could come across as labelling me a cold hearted bastard (bastard, maybe; cold hearted, never), and that view maybe due to how I went about explaining or lack of explaining my 'personal loneliness' situation and queries. Of course, I would expect people to have differing interpretations of my scenario and that's fair enough. It is only my personal feelings on display. No-one has any idea about my wife's attitude to my endeavours, reaction to my requests, her moods and type of communication toward me, as I had no intention to disclose all of her personal traits (and I never would), as that was not the aim of my thread. I do feel I have provided too much information now which has fed some misconceptions about my role/ behaviour and I share some blame as perhaps I did not explain very well my feelings and questions on personal loneliness in a relationship. I did not want to deliver a huge monologue, which this is now rapidly becoming. Hence, I will end my commentary on this topic and again thank those of you who took the time to contribute, for your interesting comments and opinions .
 

Sir Cruiser

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You were indeed blessed, happy2. It was not all doom and gloom for me/us. 15-20 years everything seemed to work for both of us. Our kids have since left home and I would've thought the perfect opportunity to rekindle the flame, spice things up in the bedroom, do more things together....but the endeavours have to be reciprocal for positive outcomes. As the saying goes, 'It takes two to tango' and as much as I, for a considerable time encouraged what I thought were positive responses, it became obvious I had been left to 'dance by myself'; unless it was to her tune. I can possibly see how my comments and attitude could come across as labelling me a cold hearted bastard (bastard, maybe; cold hearted, never), and that view maybe due to how I went about explaining or lack of explaining my 'personal loneliness' situation and queries. Of course, I would expect people to have differing interpretations of my scenario and that's fair enough. It is only my personal feelings on display. No-one has any idea about my wife's attitude to my endeavours, reaction to my requests, her moods and type of communication toward me, as I had no intention to disclose all of her personal traits (and I never would), as that was not the aim of my thread. I do feel I have provided too much information now which has fed some misconceptions about my role/ behaviour and I share some blame as perhaps I did not explain very well my feelings and questions on personal loneliness in a relationship. I did not want to deliver a huge monologue, which this is now rapidly becoming. Hence, I will end my commentary on this topic and again thank those of you who took the time to contribute, for your interesting comments and opinions .

Buk, i can understand your situation and would make the following comments.

Yes you can be living almost a single life even though you are married or in a relationship for many years (30 plus I think?). By the sounds of it you have drifted apart, time, circumstances, arguments and missunderstandings can drive a wedge between you but there has to come a point in time that you decide what is more important, your health and well being or staying in a relationship that you are unhappy in and probably your wife is too. Obviously i appreciate there is more to your situation than you have or would say but it is your life to decide what to do, not anyone else's.

You said you have tried to leave on more than one occasion but relented when your wife cried, unfortunately it is human nature to want to have the status quo and live in denial rather than face an uncertain future which is what it appears, you are both doing for different reasons.

For some men who have gotten used to living alone, are happy in themselves with thier feelings but still live in the house with thier wife but just existing to the outside world as a "couple" there comes a time when the guy (it could be the wife but this is just targeted to the male perspective in this post) has to decide what he wants from his life. Does he want to be unhappy in his current state or does he want to take the biggest punt of his life and start over, even on his own without any female companion. He must make the decision not because he is emotionaly involved (even partially) with someone else but because the guy wants to live a better fuller life on his own before it is too late. Living in a bad relationship for years can be soul destroying, your health (and your wife's) can suffer in many ways.

By relenting when your wife cries you are not solving the problem just extending it for both of you. Do you have somewhere to live?, can you financially support yourself?, can your wife support herself?, are you prepared for the emotional impact on both yourself and your wife?, do you have the strength to leave and stick to it because once you walk out your life will change forever and your wife will unfortunately start being bitter towards you after the initial upset and pleas to come back have worn out. This is an unfortunate fact of life and could be the husband's response if the wife left him.

Having a companion after you seperate is a good thing but only if you have adjusted to being on your own within yourself. I know that for a lot of people, they want a companion because they cannot exist on thier own as they find out after leaving the wife. For some guys already having lived alone within a relationship who are okay being without someone, meeting a new person even by chance can be very heartwarming because someone sees things in you that make you feel good about yourself again. You will face many different periods of readjustment to your new life.

But ae you prepared for the problems you will face, most likely on your own. Think long and hard before taking that final step and if you think you might not cope, might not be able to face life on your lonesome, cope with the emotional stress apart from the financial issues you will face, then take the bull by the horns and talk to your wife, tell her what you feel, how you feel and ask her if she wants to work at your relationship together. If she says yes and you can see she is sincere then go at it. Otherwise leave and start the long hard road to being single again.

One piece of advice, please do not leave your wife because of any emotional attachment with another, percieved or otherwise because you cannot make a life changing decision if you are "infatuated", "in love" or have strong feelings for someone else. You could easily be making the wrong decision because you are not thinking properly. Yes i know people do leave their wives because they are involved with someone else but it is the wrong way to end any relationship and start another.

I hope you find the right way for both you and your wife in the end, good luck and in the words of a famous actor "live long and prosper", that's right isn't guys?

FN. Any comments that i have made are not a judgement on your reasons, values etc.
 

Buk

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Buk, i can understand your situation and would make the following comments.

Yes you can be living almost a single life even though you are married or in a relationship for many years (30 plus I think?). By the sounds of it you have drifted apart, time, circumstances, arguments and missunderstandings can drive a wedge between you but there has to come a point in time that you decide what is more important, your health and well being or staying in a relationship that you are unhappy in and probably your wife is too. Obviously i appreciate there is more to your situation than you have or would say but it is your life to decide what to do, not anyone else's.

You said you have tried to leave on more than one occasion but relented when your wife cried, unfortunately it is human nature to want to have the status quo and live in denial rather than face an uncertain future which is what it appears, you are both doing for different reasons.

For some men who have gotten used to living alone, are happy in themselves with thier feelings but still live in the house with thier wife but just existing to the outside world as a "couple" there comes a time when the guy (it could be the wife but this is just targeted to the male perspective in this post) has to decide what he wants from his life. Does he want to be unhappy in his current state or does he want to take the biggest punt of his life and start over, even on his own without any female companion. He must make the decision not because he is emotionaly involved (even partially) with someone else but because the guy wants to live a better fuller life on his own before it is too late. Living in a bad relationship for years can be soul destroying, your health (and your wife's) can suffer in many ways.

By relenting when your wife cries you are not solving the problem just extending it for both of you. Do you have somewhere to live?, can you financially support yourself?, can your wife support herself?, are you prepared for the emotional impact on both yourself and your wife?, do you have the strength to leave and stick to it because once you walk out your life will change forever and your wife will unfortunately start being bitter towards you after the initial upset and pleas to come back have worn out. This is an unfortunate fact of life and could be the husband's response if the wife left him.

Having a companion after you seperate is a good thing but only if you have adjusted to being on your own within yourself. I know that for a lot of people, they want a companion because they cannot exist on thier own as they find out after leaving the wife. For some guys already having lived alone within a relationship who are okay being without someone, meeting a new person even by chance can be very heartwarming because someone sees things in you that make you feel good about yourself again. You will face many different periods of readjustment to your new life.

But ae you prepared for the problems you will face, most likely on your own. Think long and hard before taking that final step and if you think you might not cope, might not be able to face life on your lonesome, cope with the emotional stress apart from the financial issues you will face, then take the bull by the horns and talk to your wife, tell her what you feel, how you feel and ask her if she wants to work at your relationship together. If she says yes and you can see she is sincere then go at it. Otherwise leave and start the long hard road to being single again.

One piece of advice, please do not leave your wife because of any emotional attachment with another, percieved or otherwise because you cannot make a life changing decision if you are "infatuated", "in love" or have strong feelings for someone else. You could easily be making the wrong decision because you are not thinking properly. Yes i know people do leave their wives because they are involved with someone else but it is the wrong way to end any relationship and start another.

I hope you find the right way for both you and your wife in the end, good luck and in the words of a famous actor "live long and prosper", that's right isn't guys?

FN. Any comments that i have made are not a judgement on your reasons, values etc.
Thank you Sir Cruiser! I won't bore anyone by touching on some of your very astute comments and welcome advice, other than to say thanks for your thoughts and concern.
 

Phoebe

Some Village lost an Idiot!
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Loneliness can be called "Freedom" How many people whom are not lonely in relationships can not escape, if you are lonely think of it as freedom to do what one desires, How many unlonely folk would love to say stuff this this Saturday I may go to a parlor and do a 3some .... or have freedom to live and do what ever...
 

ProfD

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Buk, things may have moved on since July but I wanted to contribute.

I was in a different but similar situation after 15 yrs of marriage. 3 kids at home with too much to organise, a workahic wife who resented my one Independant activity - martial arts - where I felt centred and relaxed and calm.

I invited her to come with me to a beginners rope bondage workshop to explore the only thing which felt like fun. She was horrified, then astonished when I went alone. Great fun! All with clothes on.

I started having adult massages and eventually met a woman in another town who noticed how close I was to suicide. We became lovers and eventually my marriage broke down when I told my wife what was happening and couldn't break the infatuation.

What I would have preferred, and can see now, was external professional guidance from a psychologist. There were so many subtle and interwoven problems that we couldn't work it out for ourselves. We were. Dry different personalities, opposites in much. The tensions were damaging.

Having solitude is healthy and refreshing for some, but not if you crave connection with your wife. If she values you as much as just "being married" then she's going to have to do some work in maintaining it.

Your external relationship is propping up your marriage, feeding a need that's not being satisfied. That's fine if that's the solution you and wife come to, but not healthy or respectful if in secret.

You are obviously trying to find a way to make it work. I applaud your tenacity, but it won't work if either of you iis actually clinically depressed, or if your wife doesn't realise that you are actually on the way out of your marriage.

Together, being honest about how much you miss and want her connection, with expert help is the only way to work things out when one partner isn't engaging. The answer may be a temporary separation (with no other relationships) or an open marriage (polyamorous where your give knows who you're with) , or meds, or lots of other combinations.

You won't find a mutually satisfying solution if only half of you have most of the information.

Good luck.
 

ProfD

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Oh, three other suggestions:

Book: "How to be a couple and still be free"
Excellent work on polyamory and working on relationships in trouble. (If you are both a bit radical)

Dr Phil McGraw "Relationship Rescue". (If you are both a bit more conservative)

Tony Robbins 6 human needs and how they drive us. There's a TED talk on this very simple, powerful framework that shows us how we work, why we have addictions etc.
 
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