HIV or A.I.D.S?

[Zainabu]

Hi all,

This is my first ever post. I have been going through the site and i have enjoyed alot of it. I got a bit offened when one of the member replied to a post that clients or punters should be weary of africans that provide private services becuase of HIV or A.I.D.S.

That is a bit rude and disagree with him. Somali might have 5% of population with HIV or A.I.D.S. Africa the highest % of HIV or A.I.D.S

As an african and a working lady, am more worried of whoever asks for unprotected sex. We get our health check done , which includes all STI before anyone get there visa or refugee status to be in Australia.

So one cant say be weary private african W/L when HIV and A.I.D.S is everywhere. as a clients and a punters you should insist on safe sex. It only takes one person to spread it.

Everyone is reponsible for there health and others around them. W/Ls private or establishment should always do there medecials. Clients or punters should never ask for unprotected sex.

 

[Alecia the Foxx]

Hi Leonidah

I agree with you about stigmatism and how we can't generalise about sex workers and their H.I.V. status, or anything else.

However, I don't agree that everyone is responsible for the health of others around them. Everyone is responsible for their OWN selves, in the health department generally, and in the sexual health area. I have a responsibility to make sure that I keep healthy and that I don't pass anything on. But I am not responsible for anyone elses health, that is up to them to keep a check on. If this is what you meant, and I misunderstood you, then I apologise in advance.

Postscript: I am talking about viable adults here. In terms of children, and those adults who need special care, I agree that as a society and members of the human race, we are responsible for their well-being. Which goes back to making sure that nothing is passed on. I would hate to see innocent people suffering from the effects of un-protected sex.

 

[~Dragons_Princess~]

Hi all,

This is my first ever post. I have been going through the site and i have enjoyed alot of it. I got a bit offened when one of the member replied to a post that clients or punters should be weary of africans that provide private services becuase of HIV or A.I.D.S.

You shouldn't be offended to be honest... It's a legitimate concern...

HIV infection % per country:

Some "Western" Countries:
Australia - 0.1 %
New Zealand - 0.1%
Germany - 0.1%
France - 0.4%
Canada - 0.3%
UK - 0.2%
USA - 0.6%

Some African Countries:
South Africa - 18.1%
Swaziland - 26.1%
Zambia - 15.2%
Zimbabwe - 15.3%
Namibia - 15.3%
Malawi - 11.9%
Mozambique - 12.5%
Lesotho - 23.2%
Botswana - 23.9%


It's obvious that people from African nations have a higher risk of carrying HIV, and if a working lady moved here from an African nation and was a working lady while she was in Africa then she would be EXTREMELY high risk..

HIV can take up to 6 months to become detectable after infection, so a quick spot test isn't worth the paper it's written on, in reality.

When you are comparing Australia's HIV infection rate of 0.1% to percentages in the 20's in African nations, I don't think it's one bit racist or offensive for people to be wary of working ladies from those nationalities...

Don't like the criticism? Choose another profession... Health should be everybody's #1 concern, and people have every right to read into statistics like this, at the end of the day the stats don't lie...

 

[JadeTV]

You shouldn't be offended to be honest... It's a legitimate concern...

HIV infection % per country:

Some "Western" Countries:
Australia - 0.1 %
New Zealand - 0.1%
Germany - 0.1%
France - 0.4%
Canada - 0.3%
UK - 0.2%
USA - 0.6%

Some African Countries:
South Africa - 18.1%
Swaziland - 26.1%
Zambia - 15.2%
Zimbabwe - 15.3%
Namibia - 15.3%
Malawi - 11.9%
Mozambique - 12.5%
Lesotho - 23.2%
Botswana - 23.9%


It's obvious that people from African nations have a higher risk of carrying HIV, and if a working lady moved here from an African nation and was a working lady while she was in Africa then she would be EXTREMELY high risk..

HIV can take up to 6 months to become detectable after infection, so a quick spot test isn't worth the paper it's written on, in reality.

When you are comparing Australia's HIV infection rate of 0.1% to percentages in the 20's in African nations, I don't think it's one bit racist or offensive for people to be wary of working ladies from those nationalities...

Don't like the criticism? Choose another profession... Health should be everybody's #1 concern, and people have every right to read into statistics like this, at the end of the day the stats don't lie...

I agree with both of your points of view... to add to that, lets not forget the globalisation of our world where it's very easy for the "Westerns" to hop on a plane on a sex tour or personal holiday to a "High Risk" area.

People from third world or less developed countries are made to jump through hoops with medical certificates, proof to be able to support themselves financially during their stay and yet any of us with an Aussie/UK/US/EU passport generally get an automatic 3 month temporary visa on arrival at the airport with no questions asked into the high risk areas. And we've all read some of the posts on here how many a client are treated like royalty in places like Thailand or Bali with sex offers rolling off the doorsteps of their hotel rooms with unmentionable sex practices on offer due to the lack of health risk education and medical support to them. Then there are some of the overseas workers who do come in here where its quite normal to offer unprotected (bareback) sex... Very scary when you take another post from someone the other day which calculates your direct & indirect sexual partners by Lloyds Pharmacy, funny but potentially true?

The risk is everywhere....
All we can do is minimise those with the way we work with and for our clients.
It's not really about where someone is from any more but how safe or unsafe we all play here and there.

 

[Perth boy]

So glad I am in Australia.

Anyone know the stats in Thailand may have to change some travel plans

 

[~Dragons_Princess~]

So glad I am in Australia.

Anyone know the stats in Thailand may have to change some travel plans

Thailand - 1.4%

14 times that of Australia, but still not in the ball park of most African nations.

 

[Perth boy]

Thailand - 1.4%

14 times that of Australia, but still not in the ball park of most African nations.

Beeing a clean freak that almost put me of Thailand.

 

[~Dragons_Princess~]

Beeing a clean freak that almost put me of Thailand.

I'd think your main concern with Thailand would be that their health standards might not be up to par with those of W/L's here in Aus...

You'd have to be very sure they get themselves checked and follow the same safe sex precautions as the girls here.

Standards tend to be laxed in Asian countries.

 

[Perth boy]

I'd think your main concern with Thailand would be that their health standards might not be up to par with those of W/L's here in Aus...

You'd have to be very sure they get themselves checked and follow the same safe sex precautions as the girls here.

Standards tend to be laxed in Asian countries.

DP I thought the same until my last trip. I go alot to asian countries for holidays and business, most time find myself a nice girl for compainion ship only. Had never had sex with them because I was scared of catching something. On the last trip it all changed and hooked up with a few girls. All were very safe. I asked them if they would do unprotected not because I wanted to but because I was testing the water to see how safe they were. All would only do protected. However if I offerd more money I dont know what the answer would be. So in my limited expirence in this I can say the two girls in Bangkok and the other two in Gaunzghou China were very safe.

 

[JadeTV]

DP I thought the same until my last trip. I go alot to asian countries for holidays and business, most time find myself a nice girl for compainion ship only. Had never had sex with them because I was scared of catching something. On the last trip it all changed and hooked up with a few girls. All were very safe. I asked them if they would do unprotected not because I wanted to but because I was testing the water to see how safe they were. All would only do protected. However if I offerd more money I dont know what the answer would be. So in my limited expirence in this I can say the two girls in Bangkok and the other two in Gaunzghou China were very safe.

Very interesting - it starts to get a little bit easy to stereotype in conversations like this doesn't it?

 

[Perth boy]

Very interesting - it starts to get a little bit easy to stereotype in conversations like this doesn't it?

Jade a lot of people see the asian industry not being safe and after being in the country, reading other threads and forums and speaking with other punters its not what it seams. Merryanne has comented herself on how safe the asian working girls are.
Also with low percentage of aids in Thailand that goes to show that they are safe. (But not as safe as Aust)

 

[asianguy77]

Thailand - 1.4%

14 times that of Australia, but still not in the ball park of most African nations.

Yes, this percentage maybe for thailand as a whole is not high, but the percentage amongst the wl in the gogo bars is extremely high. Statistics can lie, and skewed depending how u wish to view them

As analogy if u went fishing in the ocean chances of catching a fish is low, whereas if u go fishing in a pond full of fishes, chances of catching
something extremely high.

Remember also alot of these wl in third world countries are forced into prostitution and sex with guys without condoms. Sad fact the risks they are forced to take to survive and feed their family

 

[JadeTV]

Jade a lot of people see the asian industry not being safe and after being in the country, reading other threads and forums and speaking with other punters its not what it seams. Merryanne has comented herself on how safe the asian working girls are.
Also with low percentage of aids in Thailand that goes to show that they are safe. (But not as safe as Aust)

Who are you? I see you everwhere I'm posting hahahahahaha
Would love to run for Prime Minister against you because you just love to debate hahahah

XXXX

 

[Fudd]

Yes, this percentage maybe for thailand as a whole is not high.....etc....

When I first saw those rates, I did some checking and it looks like DP got the percentages from here:

List of countries by HIV/AIDS adult prevalence rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The interesting thing is that I initially thought that the perecentages may have been for a country as a whole, however, they relate to the 15-49 age bracket only (ie, not the whole country).

If you do have a look at those figures, have a look at the "annual deaths" v "people with HIV/Aids" columns. If you calculate the rate (%) using these 2 colums, the data is quite interesting too.

Fudd

 

[asianguy77]

When I first saw those rates, I did some checking and it looks like DP got the percentages from here:

List of countries by HIV/AIDS adult prevalence rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The interesting thing is that I initially thought that the perecentages may have been for a country as a whole, however, they relate to the 15-49 age bracket only (ie, not the whole country).

If you do have a look at those figures, have a look at the "annual deaths" v "people with HIV/Aids" columns. If you calculate the rate (%) using these 2 colums, the data is quite interesting too.

Fudd

Wikipedia is not really a reliable source for information hehe

 

[Fudd]

Wikipedia is not really a reliable source for information hehe

.....I agree but they derievd the data from an external source, ie the CIA World Handbook which is in the public domain.

Fudd

 

[svengali]

Hi Leonidah,

That was probably my post you referred to and first let me say that I certainly did not intend to kick off a racial argument.

I am fanatical about my health and for that reason alone I only visit well-run brothels like Langtrees or private ladies like the now retired Tianna or Lillian Tan.

Any private operations run by Asian, African or other pimps are right off limits so far as I am concerned as are most independent private operators. I have seen too many posts on here mentioning you are silly and other unsafe practises to even consider visiting those places. There is also the nagging doubt that some of the girls are working under duress and may not be assertive enough about enforcing safe sex on their clients.

 

[STEPHMAC]

Svengali , when it comes to asian houses you right on the mark.There was a program on the ABC about the very same. Cleanliness and safety are equally as important for both the W/L and client.I made the mistake of going to an asian house paid for the hour, after looking at the shower,towel and filthy bed decided to make a quick exit being more than happy to lose the money and not feel seedy.

 

[STEPHMAC]

Leonidah, I would just like to say that having spent time with some african W/L in Perth, I've always found they are well-above average, In nearly every way and as I made the original post I apologise if it turned into a discussion about other than what it was intended to be.

 

[Alecia the Foxx]

It's interesting, Svengali, that you have found that privates have a lower rate of protected sex practices than some brothels. Personally, the worst cases of this that I have seen have been in brothels.

In New Zealand privates have the opportunity to be very well-informed, we have the NZ Prostitutes Collective who are available via phone call and home visit, who contact the girls and provide safe sex info. They also dispense cheap, good quality condoms and lubricant. Our laws also state that oral without condoms as well as full sex bareback are highly illegal.

Although there are no mandatory STI/STD checks for sex workers here, all those whom I know get tested very regularly. I do myself, using a number of clinics and doctors.

Good for you for being health conscious.

 

[JasRob]

HIV infection % per country:

Some "Western" Countries:
Australia - 0.1 %
New Zealand - 0.1%
Germany - 0.1%
France - 0.4%
Canada - 0.3%
UK - 0.2%
USA - 0.6%

Some African Countries:
South Africa - 18.1%
Swaziland - 26.1%
Zambia - 15.2%
Zimbabwe - 15.3%
Namibia - 15.3%
Malawi - 11.9%
Mozambique - 12.5%
Lesotho - 23.2%
Botswana - 23.9%

thanks for the stats this is a big help..as I travel a lot...:wav:

 

[jeffcoles2012]

Swaziland had alarming percentage of having an HIV positive. Hope the government their can do good action to lessen or totally free country from HIV.

 

[bustytranx]

Until recently Immigrants and short stay visas were not allowed in the country and a test was required.
Whilst it has been loosened to attract skilled workers only 41 Chronically ill were approved last year and only part of them were HIV persons.
Always Use a condom and be safer

 

[JadeTV]

In case some workers dont know this, if you have a scare, there is vaccine you can take against HIV.

If a condom breaks or if you think you have been exposed to HIV, you have 72 hours to take a one month course of injections that stops you from contracting and developing the infection if you might have been exposed to it. You can find links to this from my website homepage or just google PEP (Post Exposure Prophylaxis) Hotline for your nearest sexual health clinic or referral office. Naturally you follow this up with the normal Window period screening and usual STI battery of tests we all should be doing

To any rich clients out there lookin to throw money at a cause, donate your gold bullion to Herpes, we need a cure for that scary piece of work!

Until recently Immigrants and short stay visas were not allowed in the country and a test was required.
Whilst it has been loosened to attract skilled workers only 41 Chronically ill were approved last year and only part of them were HIV persons.
Always Use a condom and be safer