Government increasing fees

[TheCock]

The WA government is going to increase the fees for courses at Tafe. A course that might be $600 will now be $2000 or higher.

What do you think about this in connection to education for all?
Will this affect the w/l industry with less customers as they struggle to repay their debts?

Its a struggle as is when you are studying

The fees will continue to increase over four years. Better study now before the fee rise hits you later on

 

[Happy2]

I know what you mean cock A friend of mine in her 50's just competed a course She works for the RSL and cares for the elderly Her course cost $1000 It will cost $2500-3000 in the future And yet they want younger people to get into the industry of care as we have an aging population But a catch 22 awaits We need young people but the young if unemployed or poor ( as its expensive to be young if I remember right ) cant get into the course as it costs too much

 

[HappyPirate]

Ahoy The Federal Government, is cutting funding to TAFE and UNI in 2014 accross the country,(they are dropping their volume of funds) this is what you guys are talking about;--- is the institution, planning for funding cuts.
Welcome to the real world
Cheers and Pass the Rum

 

[Thatguy]

what wasn't said was that they are also introducing a HECS type arrangement for people to still be able to study and have their course 100% paid for by the government, the difference is they will pay it back when they earn over a certain amount like those with HECS do...

advantage is government loans 100% of course fees which you pay back.. where at the moment you are still out of pocket for some of the course costs...

 

[homer]

Now that's quite a cock up aint it. +1 for the govt pocket, and -100 for people who want to study.

 

[Happy2]

what wasn't said was that they are also introducing a HECS type arrangement for people to still be able to study and have their course 100% paid for by the government, the difference is they will pay it back when they earn over a certain amount like those with HECS do...

advantage is government loans 100% of course fees which you pay back.. where at the moment you are still out of pocket for some of the course costs...

That makes it sound fairer. It does help when you know more of the facts doesn't it?

 

[colzilla]

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[Dez]

I suppose one good aspect to higher Tafe fees means young people might think twice about leaving high school earlier, and people would be less likely to be able to just sign up for courses willy nilly and waste time so they can collect centrelink for studying.

I'd like to go back to study at some point, but paying out for childcare and study fees kind of bites, plus I love my job

 

[BigMike]

I suppose one good aspect to higher Tafe fees means young people might think twice about leaving high school earlier, and people would be less likely to be able to just sign up for courses willy nilly and waste time so they can collect centrelink for studying.

I'd like to go back to study at some point, but paying out for childcare and study fees kind of bites, plus I love my job

That's quite philosophical. I guess there's always a flip side of the coin. Except this flip side is rubbish. I can't see a silver lining myself.

 

[Al Swearengen]

Yet another silver lining is it may encourage even more attractive young students into becoming Wls!
Seriously, upping the fees for a TAFE course whilst on the other hand making loans available to students (dont be fooled: HECS is a loan) sounds like a real cash grab that stands a good chance of falling over.

 

[colzilla]

I feel an attack of the can't be bothereds coming on.

 

[Alyssa Ella May]

I studied in Melbourne at full fee and my course was $12,500 a year for a diploma of two years. Once upon a time I was entitled to a subsidised course fee of a few hundred dollars. Even being a working girl I can't say I was not in a comfortable financial position whilst at Tafe. Stripping funding from education is not going to aid Australia in anyway. It might help those immigrants in the future that will be imported for their skill set.

 

[happyguy]

We all have right to our own opinion and there is no right and wrong. Its about perceptions and depends on case by case basis. Having said that, my view on Australian government policy on education particularly in fees are generous. I know many people on this forum may not agree with me but as i have said on my opening statement that we all have rights to our own opinion. And, i do have a reason for my opinion, and this is this that most of Asian countries irrespective of how rich and developed they are cannot compete to Australian education system in every front hence from my opinion generous.

 

[DitaTempest1]

That makes it sound fairer. It does help when you know more of the facts doesn't it?

Well, yeah... It makes it sound fairer, until you remember that they are also planning to sell off existing HECS debt to private enterprise...

 

[Happy2]

Well, yeah... It makes it sound fairer, until you remember that they are also planning to sell off existing HECS debt to private enterprise...

Once again I am learning a little more
My son has just finished many years in Uni I know he will have a big HECS bill
Though if he had to pay me back every "loan" during those years I think he would be owing me more than the Govt or one of these private companies of which you speak

Thing is my son is in a field that the Government are asking our young people to
get into Yet charge plenty for them to do so

 

[colzilla]

Hope your life insurance policy is up to date.

 

[Smoggy]

The State (WA) and Federal books are in a mess. In an ideal world higher education would be free but that's just not possible. Maybe a modest subsidy is applicable in the short to medium term. If I was a young person considering going to Uni I would try an pick a course that would result in a qualification that would have a high chance of well paid employment. I think too many don't think beyond the course and end up with massive debt and no job.

The thing which we should all be concerned about is the state of apprenticeships in Australia. The decision by FWA to increase wages of apprentices is going to significantly reduce the number of apprenticeships offered as business cant or wont wear the additional costs. The net result will be less qualified trades people and less Australian jobs. TAFE's will be affected and the number of courses offered may be reduced. The shortfall will inevitably mean more people being brought in on 457 Visa. Unions - talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[Rochelle]

Well, my opinion on course fees is certainly influenced by the luxury to be able to study without fees. I am a believer in free education. It puts an humongous amount of pressure on students when facing huge fees.
And again New Zealand as an example which experiences a high fluctuation of qualified people trying to get work overseas to escape the repayments of the loans.......up to $50000 depending on the courses.
It is a difficult topic..........universities could have other selective ways to choose the "right" people for the courses.......money is not the only way to be selective.

 

[BigMike]

If I was a young person considering going to Uni I would try an pick a course that would result in a qualification that would have a high chance of well paid employment. I think too many don't think beyond the course and end up with massive debt and no job.

Hmm... I don't know. That seems hyper pragmatic to me. Many people do what they love and don't get paid well. The alternative is to do something you don't like and get paid better. Many of us could probably earn more driving a forklift (if we're not forklift drivers already)... but we don't switch careers.

The thing which we should all be concerned about is the state of apprenticeships in Australia. The decision by FWA to increase wages of apprentices is going to significantly reduce the number of apprenticeships offered as business cant or wont wear the additional costs. The net result will be less qualified trades people and less Australian jobs. TAFE's will be affected and the number of courses offered may be reduced. The shortfall will inevitably mean more people being brought in on 457 Visa. Unions - talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Let's see if that happens. Dire predictions are easy to make. If they don't come true nobody remembers.

 

[Langtrees VIP Perth 3]

I had the pleasure of tutoring at courses equivalent to your TAFFE courses in NZ and found a lot of young people would borrow on the student loan scheme and not attend their course.
On average a class of twenty starting and two completing.

 

[HappyPirate]

Ahoy, Just one last final point. All universities in this country have a free scholarship in certain courses. So there is a selected very talented student`s who go to university for free. However and here the funny bit;--- once they are known to be scholarship holder, usually other international universities offer them, much bigger and brighter scholarships, hence they study overseas.

The HECS system is in place to cover the overall majority of students hence population, its a good system that works well, if you do not like the idea of it, if you think education should be free, then I hate to tell you this the rest of the world does not agree with you.
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