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C

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A chill down my spine

I'm not sure if the programmers timed it with the Rayney verdict or not but tonight I watched a documentary of sorts on David and Catherine Birnie.

I don't normally watch the commercial channels but I was working overseas when the whole saga came about.

As the documentary wore on and details were revealed - I actually felt a few shudders - seriously, they were shudders down my spine.

The horror - the sheer fucking horror of it all.
 
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Lilly Sweetheart

Re: A chill down my spine

I believe Catherine was worst than David.

Sick, twisted people. I hope they will oneday get their desserts.
 
C

Contrarian

Re: A chill down my spine

David took the "easy" way out and committed suicide about 7 years ago I think.
 
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Lilly Sweetheart

Re: A chill down my spine

David took the "easy" way out and committed suicide about 7 years ago I think.

Yep all because he put in a request to see Catherine and they denied him.... he must have been seriously deluded. Why should he be allowed to see his lover when the parents of the victims didn't even have a chance to say goodbye? No parents should out live their children.

Catherine was denied paroles in 2010 and comes up for her next parole hearing March 2013.
 

svengali

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Re: A chill down my spine

Amen: David Burnie was a sicko of the lowest kind and offing himself was the best day's work he ever did.

Catherine Birnie claims to have "found God) and says she is reformed but this didn't convince anyone at her last parole hearing and hopefully won't in 2013 either.

These two are the best argument going for reinstating capital punushment.
 

Sherry

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Re: A chill down my spine

I remember someone telling me a friend of theirs had been doing some earth moving work in the forest on Wanneroo rd. Whilst working one day they came across some earth that had been dug out that looked a lot like empty burial plots. They reported it to their supervisor who rang the police.Turns out it was the work of the Birnie's. The police said they would have done it in preparation of their next victims! So unfair that they get to live and at our expense! If it wasn't for their last victim escaping and raising the alarm, who knows how many more would have been murdered. I agree totally with your comment about capital punishment svengali!
 

theunknowncomic

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Re: A chill down my spine

I also thought that the Gleneagle Pine plantation, out from Armadale, was another Haunt of the Birnies... My concern is that there are still many murders/missing persons cases that haven't been solved, which means there are people out there that should be brought to justice!
 

Demon

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Re: A chill down my spine

Life imprisonment (and I mean life), not capital punishment for two very important reasons:

1. Murder by the state is still murder, and lowers our society values to those of the murderer.
2. Mistakes are made, and no innocent person should be murdered by the state (or anyone else for that matter).

I am prepared to pay the cost of keeping a murderer in gaol forever to have a better society.

I have read what capital punishment does to those who have to enforce it, and it is not nice. They become victims as well.

The state of Illinois (Chicago is its largest city) cancelled all death penalties when research found 1/3rd to be wrongly convicted (not just 1 or 2%, but 33% error rate). This was done this century.

That also means that that many murderers were not caught and convicted.
 
C

Contrarian

Re: A chill down my spine

[QUOTE
The state of Illinois (Chicago is its largest city) cancelled all death penalties when research found 1/3rd to be wrongly convicted (not just 1 or 2%, but 33% error rate). This was done this century.

That also means that that many murderers were not caught and convicted.[/QUOTE]

Demon, if the research was done of all cases from let's say 1980, it'd be credible given more modern detection, investigation methods.

If it was dated back to 1810 or something I'd be suspect about the 33%. Just seeking clarification - when did their research backdate to?
 
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Farm Boy

Re: A chill down my spine

Life imprisonment (and I mean life), not capital punishment for two very important reasons:

1. Murder by the state is still murder, and lowers our society values to those of the murderer.
2. Mistakes are made, and no innocent person should be murdered by the state (or anyone else for that matter).

I am prepared to pay the cost of keeping a murderer in gaol forever to have a better society.

I have read what capital punishment does to those who have to enforce it, and it is not nice. They become victims as well.

The state of Illinois (Chicago is its largest city) cancelled all death penalties when research found 1/3rd to be wrongly convicted (not just 1 or 2%, but 33% error rate). This was done this century.

That also means that that many murderers were not caught and convicted.

All that aside a quick execution is appropriate for some SOBs
 
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WRXXXR

Re: A chill down my spine

Disagree FB, if someone murdered or raped a member of my family i'd much rather see them subjected to daily or weekly torture for years instead of a quick way out.
 
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Jessica Vixxxen

Re: A chill down my spine

Catherine Birnie will rot in prison. She is so manipulative that she would easily lie about "finding god". They will never give her freedom back and if they do I will be very surprised.
 

Fudd

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Re: A chill down my spine

...totally agree with Demon & WRXXXR.....I am a firm opponent of death penalty as I cannot justify in my mind that "state sanctioned murder" is a just punishment.
 

Rochelle

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Re: A chill down my spine

...totally agree with Demon & WRXXXR.....I am a firm opponent of death penalty as I cannot justify in my mind that "state sanctioned murder" is a just punishment.

I agree with you guys. State sanctioned murder is not the answer.
I hope you are right Vixxxen.........I hope she is not getting out. She deserves a lifetime in prison.......no parole hearing for somebody like her.


R.xxxxxxx
 
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Jessica Vixxxen

Re: A chill down my spine

Even if Catherine has genuinely changed for the better she still should stay in jail for the rest of her life or get the death sentence for the awful shocking and terrible crimes she and David committed
 

Rochelle

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Re: A chill down my spine

Even if Catherine has genuinely changed for the better she still should stay in jail for the rest of her life or get the death sentence for the awful shocking and terrible crimes she and David committed
Honestly.........I don't believe in those so called changes (finding god, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed etc.) a leopard can't change it's spots. So let's just keep her in there.


R.xxxxxx
 
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Re: A chill down my spine

A close relation of mine was working at the prison at the time David Birnie hung himself. If he didn't take that way out it wouldn't have been long until an "accident" happened with him and other inmates. I'm really surprised it hasn't happened to Catherine yet but it just goes to show how extreme her powers of manipulation are.

I'm not sure which documentary I watched as it was quite awhile ago but it was on Catherine. One thing I won't forget was the heebie jeebies she gave me just from her vacant stare. Yuck still gives me chills thinking about it.
 
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Lilly Sweetheart

Re: A chill down my spine

I believe in second chances if you are truly remorseful but how do we know if someone is truly remorseful?

The Burnies are not human beings because NO human beings could ever commit such evil crimes. They are EVIL CREATURES and even that is putting it nicely. I don't believe in capital punishment as I see that as the easy way out. I also don't believe in us tax payers to fund maximum security prisoners lifestyles.... hell some of them live better than us! They should be put to hard labour and not receive any privileges like tv, radio, video games, internet access and so on.

I believe in rehabilitation programs and education for those inmates who have not committed such serious crimes.

Our prisons are over crowded and our laws are not strict enough. Perhaps capital punishment is the answer to our over populated prisons??
 
C

Contrarian

Re: A chill down my spine

The one who got away...

On November 10, 1986, a 17-year-old girl ran into a local supermarket. She was half-naked and hysterical, but managed to announce that she had been raped. She was taken to the police station, where she told her story of survival. She said that she was abducted and held at knifepoint by a couple that had asked her for directions. She recalled being taken to a house where she was stripped and chained to the bed. The male raped her as the female watched. The following morning, she was alone in the house with the female, the male had left for work. She pleaded for the woman to unchain her; much to her amazement, the woman complied. The woman forced her to call her family and tell them that she was visiting with some friends. When the female accomplice left to answer the door, the girl escaped out of the open window in the bedroom.

Despite her harrowing ordeal, the girl was very intelligent and managed to remain alert. She was able to provide police officers with the address and phone number of the couple. She led police to the house, where they hid outside in a parked van. When Catherine returned home, she was immediately arrested. She told police where to find David, who was then arrested. The couple denied the accusations against them and claimed that the young girl had consented to sexual intercourse. In the house, police found a pocketbook and pack of cigarettes that the young lady was smart enough to hide there.

Police were still in need of a confession, since there was no concrete evidence against the couple; it was their word against the girl's. The couple was interrogated separately. This is a common police tactic. If interviewed together, the two would influence and corroborate one another's story. If separated, the bond between them is temporarily broken and the likelihood of a confession is greater. The tactic worked and David admitted to committing the murders. His confession prompted Catherine to confess as well.

The couple led police to the burial sites of the four victims. Catherine Birnie went to great lengths to explain to police that she disliked Noelene from the moment that she and David had abducted her. She was glad that she was dead. As she pointed out the grave to police, she spat on it. She showed a great deal of pride in being able to find the grave unassisted. It was as if she didn't want David Birnie to get all of the credit. The bodies were located and David and Catherine were formally charged with the four murders on November 12, 1986. The trial took place on March 3, 1987 and only lasted a half hour. Both received life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for a minimum of twenty years. David was sent to Casuarina prison and Catherine was sent to Bandyup prison. The two kept in touch for several years. In February 2005, a man received a large settlement after claiming that he was raped by Birnie while imprisoned at Casaurina. On October 7, 2005, David committed suicide, hanging himself in prison. His body remained in the morgue for over a month because no one was willing to claim it. He was given a covert funeral on November 21, 2005. It was very fortunate that the fifth victim was able to recall the details of her attack. Were it not for her, the killings would have continued much longer than they did and many more young women would have fell victim to the deadly duo.
 
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WRXXXR

Re: A chill down my spine

A close relation of mine was working at the prison at the time David Birnie hung himself. If he didn't take that way out it wouldn't have been long until an "accident" happened with him and other inmates. I'm really surprised it hasn't happened to Catherine yet but it just goes to show how extreme her powers of manipulation are.

I'm not sure which documentary I watched as it was quite awhile ago but it was on Catherine. One thing I won't forget was the heebie jeebies she gave me just from her vacant stare. Yuck still gives me chills thinking about it.

The whole prison heirachy thing has always intrigued me. I've often wondered if murderers / serial killers and rapists get treated like prison royalty or not?

I'd imagine the pedo's would be kept safe in a different area, whilst your white collar sort of criminals keep a low profile.

Naturally i've never been but i don't know anyone who has been lol
 
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Farm Boy

Re: A chill down my spine

Not being a Bleeding Heart Left Feelgood Socialdemokratiet I just would have shot the bastard , after a fair trial of course.

But if you more sensitive types want to torturing a person for his crimes consider this.


Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik has complained about his prison conditions.

In a letter to authorities, the man who killed 77 people in a bombing and shooting frenzy in July last year, described his solitary confinement and frequent strip searches as sadistic.

He also complained about having to drink cold coffee and being denied moisturiser and video games.

"I highly doubt that there are worse detention facilities in Norway," the right-wing extremist wrote in the letter, according to tabloid Verdens Gang (VG).

The 27-page letter to Norway's correctional services was published on Friday after his lawyer revealed that his client believed his prison conditions "breached human rights".

In excerpts from the letter quoted by VG, the 33-year-old outlined a catalogue of complaints that ranged from everyday annoyances to more serious issues.

Breivik said he was not getting enough butter to spread on his bread, was having to drink his coffee cold and was not able to keep a moisturiser in his cell, which, to his dismay, is sparsely decorated and has no view.

He also said that the handcuffs he has to wear when being transferred are razor sharp and "cut into his wrists".

Other complaints concerned the daily searches of his cell and body searches, for which he had to get undressed, and restrictions placed on his correspondence.
 
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Farm Boy

Re: A chill down my spine

Not being a Bleeding Heart Left Feelgood Socialdemokratiet ,I just would have shot this bastard after a fair trial of course.

But if you more sensitive types want to advocate torturing a person for his crimes consider this.


Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik has complained about his prison conditions.

In a letter to authorities, the man who killed 77 people in a bombing and shooting frenzy in July last year, described his solitary confinement and frequent strip searches as sadistic.

He also complained about having to drink cold coffee and being denied moisturiser and video games.

"I highly doubt that there are worse detention facilities in Norway," the right-wing extremist wrote in the letter, according to tabloid Verdens Gang (VG).

The 27-page letter to Norway's correctional services was published on Friday after his lawyer revealed that his client believed his prison conditions "breached human rights".

In excerpts from the letter quoted by VG, the 33-year-old outlined a catalogue of complaints that ranged from everyday annoyances to more serious issues.

Breivik said he was not getting enough butter to spread on his bread, was having to drink his coffee cold and was not able to keep a moisturiser in his cell, which, to his dismay, is sparsely decorated and has no view.

He also said that the handcuffs he has to wear when being transferred are razor sharp and "cut into his wrists".

Other complaints concerned the daily searches of his cell and body searches, for which he had to get undressed, and restrictions placed on his correspondence.
 
C

Contrarian

Re: A chill down my spine

I think it's a bit of a farce for prisoners to mete out "justice" to one another but if the rumours are anything to go by - there's a practice apparently that rapists usually get the shit beaten out of them by other prisoners when the opportunity allows.

Hence, rapists are sometimes kept in separate wards - and David Birnie might have been subject to such conditions.

It's a tragedy in SOOOOO MAAAANY ways. The victim becomes the predator - David and Catherine were products of broken homes and sexually abused by their parents too apparently. Birnie even raped his own brother.

I feel sorry for EVERYONE concerned.

A family I know was a victim of a conman and lost EVERYTHING - especially their family home. The conman was sentenced to seven years but spent only three and a half in prison with time off for good behaviour etc.

He kept on claiming he was bullied in prison and was then kept in a separate prison ward and then transferred to another state for his safety. All this happened 15 years ago.

It was only 2 years ago that the family, who got no compensation, were able to put a deposit on another house and start paying it off again.

They know where the conman is but they can never do the therapeutic thing of kneecapping the bastard or making him pay restitution.
 
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Gentleman

Re: A chill down my spine

I think some prisoners are looked after better and have an easier time than the battlers in the community trying to make ends meet for their families.
 

billybones

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Was just reading that Catherine Birnie has been denied parole again.
For those that don`t know who she is, her and her partner murdered several women in Perth in the 80`s.
My view is that anybody that purposely kills another should never have the taste of freedom again.
What are your views? Is prison too good for some of these people?
 

Happy2

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I am not a fan of the death penalty (Never take what you cant give back) But there are times when you see the crimes done by the likes of Birnie , and I waver , Just for a moment thoug
Give her life and that means out of prison only in a box
 

Dallas

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While I don't agree with the death penalty in principle, the best thing about it is that it provides the victim with a 100% guarantee that the perpetrator won't get out and re offend and for gang rape victims http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes that's good enough for me especially when the rapists have told the victim in court that that's exactly what they will do! How is the victim supposed to move on with her life with that hanging over her head?
 
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