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FIFO Relationships...

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Jazzmine

So we all obviously know what FIFO is (Fly-in-Fly-out), and the fact that these workers often spend a large amount of their times working away, often in remote areas with little or no physical contact..

This has me thinking? How the heck to couples cope with being in a long distance or FIFO relationship?

Some couples are fully dependant on each other- attached at the hip, while others can handle separation yeah? Which are you?

Do you agree that 'better' relationships are the ones where there is a partnership rather than sole dependence on one another? Are you more than happy to maintain your independence, even when you're attached?

 
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asianguy77

Diamond Member
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A good relationship involves two people coming together to complement each other, but still being able to maintain their own identity and not merging into one. When two famous people come together, they are no longer viewed as two individuals but as the one entity and given a 'nickname'. e.g TomKat (Tom Cruise + Katie Holmes).

Although, spending quality time together is essential, its also still important to have your ówn time' and space to help you maintain your own identity and continue to grow as an individual. This in turn nurtures a healthy relationship.
 

Sensual ~ Vanessa

Gold Member
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There are many ways to be attached...and that comes in many forms...
I think the most challenging is being apart for long periods of time..how you handle that..is the make or break!
everyone needs their space....but,
there..
is a limit!
 
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Lilly Sweetheart

My hubby works fifo and then throw a spanner in the works I am an escort too.
Yes I miss him while he's gone as absence makes the heart grow fonder and while he's gone I throw myself into my work. When he is home I try to only work during the day so I am home of the night time.
We make it work. But I am also a VERY independant woman and don't feel I need to have a man to 'complete' me. But having said that I don't want to imagine my life without him by my side.

It would be a hell of alot harder if we had children as yes I would want to escape from my reality and have freedom...... But we'll cross that bridge oneday.
 
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Cherie

i have had my fair share of FIFO relationships and it doesn't bother me to be alone for a little while... as long as when he is home it is good.
 
C

Contrarian

Many couples DON'T cope in FIFO relationships. That's why so many counselling agencies now have sessions and counselling on FIFO relationships. There're a range of issues - money for one thing and its absence when injury/retrenchment happens, the wives usually who've now to manage a household/kids alone, husbands mostly who work VERY hard up north and come home and are absolutely pooped and want to do nothing but sleep a lot.... the list goes on.

The following article is just one example of the lifestyle issues involved:

The Fly In Fly Out Lifestyle
A guide for workers and families
Eliza Hatton
Psychologist, Counsellor & Psychotherapist
Adele Wilde
Counsellor & Psychotherapist


Since the end of the 1980's, Australia has experienced a resources boom that has seen thousands of families impacted by fly in fly out (FIFO) work. The FIFO lifestyle involves workers flying to non-residential based gas, oil and mining operations to work ten to fourteen hour shifts for two to six weeks at a time. Whilst the financial gains from this type of work are substantial, the undesirable impact this type of work is having on individuals, couples, and family units is becoming hard to ignore.

The FIFO lifestyle often sees workers flying out to stay in remote locations with hundreds of other men and women in basic, but fully serviced accommodation, working long hours with the opportunity to wind down after a long shift at the "wet mess" with other co-workers. This lifestyle is often far removed from the life they lead at home with partners and children.

Ways FIFO Work Impacts Families

Relationships become strained due to the distance between the couple
One parent often takes on the role of single parent
Children are impacted emotionally spending time looking forward to Mum or Dad's return and then having to say good bye again. This is especially hard during the early transition period of FIFO when they may not have been separated from a parent for an extended period of time.
FIFO workers find it difficult to adjust from single life to family life
Both partners need down time, time with each other, and time with their children. This can be very difficult to juggle as the parent who stays at home with the children needs some time out from being a single parent and the FIFO worker needs time to wind down after working such long hours.

Ways You Can Stay Connected in Couple Relationships

Prior to starting FIFO work couples need to be realistic about the impact this type of work is going to have on the family. For this lifestyle to be managed successfully it is beneficial for couples to discuss how they will approach things such as social life, parenting, contact with each other (and children) during the period away. It is also important to discuss the expectations that the whole family has about how life is going to be when the partner who works away returns home. For example who will transport children to and from school? How much time will be allocated to friends and extended family? Will there be nights for just the two of you to go to dinner or have time out together? If these expectations are discussed in a logical and practical way, it could reduce the level of stress and disappointment. It is also important that these discussions continue to ensure the arrangements are still working for the both of you.

Tips for the partner who is working away

Provide your partner with your roster so they know when you will be available to talk.
Provide your partner with an emergency number where they can reach you if required.
Organise times that you will call your family to ensure they are home and able to speak for undisturbed periods of time.
Do not take on additional shifts or a change of roster without first discussing this with your partner to ensure they will be able to cope with the changes.
Allow 'date nights' or 'couple time' when both partners are home to reconnect with each other (away from the children if you have them).
Discuss what you need from your time off from work with your partner. For example: FIFO workers need plenty of sleep and recuperation time.

If you have children

Recognise that your partner has established boundaries and rules with the children while you are away. It is important that these rules and boundaries remain in place when you are home. Be clear on what they are and provide support to your partner by ensuring that you remain a parent and have fun with your children while not let the rules go.
Recognise that your stay-at-home partner will be taking on a single parent role while you are away and that they may need time out. Discuss possible social activities that your partner could engage in while you are away. This can assist in reducing insecurities. Also recognise that the stay-at-home parent will need some down time when you are home, so make time to take the children out in order to provide your partner with this opportunity.
Spend plenty of time with your children. FIFO work can take a toll on them emotionally, and they will, in most circumstances, look forward to your return for weeks on end.
Make an effort to speak to your children (especially if they are young) as often as possible, preferably before their sleeping times.

Ways FIFO Work Impacts Individuals

Working away can cause a sense of isolation that can lead to depression.
This isolation and time away from partner can lead to fantasies about partner being unfaithful or not interested leading to insecurities.
Difficulties forming new relationships if single. Meeting someone and then having to fly out for several weeks makes it difficult for romantic relationships to form.
Binge drinking and/or recreational drug use is a feature of FIFO lifestyles.
Changes in mood are often experienced by FIFO workers. This mood can be low at the end of the work block and can remain low for a couple of days on returning home until the worker is rested and settled in again. It is not unusual for some workers to begin to feel low again a few days before heading back to work. Usually this will settle, but sometimes for some workers the low mood will remain until they are home again.
Fatigue is often experienced during work hours due to very long shifts. This leads to the need for extended recovery time once home.
Missing significant events such as birthdays and weddings can result in feelings of exclusion and increase feelings of isolation or depression.
Often high levels of stress whilst on the job with little means of support can result in increased drinking at the "wet mess" and a build-up of emotions.

Struggling to feel part of the community due to long stretches away.

A sense of not 'belonging' anymore, including family, friends and environment. This can be especially so for those workers spending six weeks away and much less time back home.
Ways for Individuals to Stay Connected and Make the most of FIFO
Stay in touch with friends and family while away, including skype, phone and email.
Make plans before leaving or while you are away to catch up with people on your return and commit to these plans where possible.
Talk with a trusted friend or family member about your concerns or any difficulties you are experiencing whilst working in a FIFO position, or seek professional support.
Continue activities that you are able to pick up again when back home such as fishing, golfing, boating, movies, concerts, etc. Part time study online can often fill time while on site, can provide you with an interesting new challenge, or add to your career prospects.
Draw on the experience of other FIFO workers who understand the challenges that go with the job both onsite and offsite.
Maintain as healthy a lifestyle as possible. This can be beneficial to you both physically and emotionally.
Putting some goals in place can often be helpful in maintaining a sense of purpose. For example, use this period of your life to become financially secure in order to finance any dreams you may have, such as owning your own home, setting yourself up into a new business, or planning for a comfortable retirement. Assume FIFO is not necessarily viable in the long run.
Don't over commit yourself on returning from work, especially if already exhausted; take time to recover in order to fully enjoy the events and time off you have been looking forward to.
 

TheCock

Legend Member
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So we all obviously know what FIFO is (Fly-in-Fly-out), and the fact that these workers often spend a large amount of their times working away, often in remote areas with little or no physical contact..

This has me thinking? How the heck to couples cope with being in a long distance or FIFO relationship?

Some couples are fully dependant on each other- attached at the hip, while others can handle separation yeah? Which are you?

Do you agree that 'better' relationships are the ones where there is a partnership rather than sole dependence on one another? Are you more than happy to maintain your independence, even when you're attached?


Three days left apart and I'm already feeling sorry for my pillow with all the spooning it's been getting.


Can join the new fangled Cuddle Parties!! No sex just people that cuddle lol

I wouldnt want to be attached at the hips unless that attachment involves sexual stimulation ;)
 

Justlookin

Justlookin
Gold Member
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I've worked next to a lot of bitter and twisted FIFO workers when I was working in karratha. The think they are making a sacrifice working away. Marriage falls apart because they aren't around and some other bloke is. They then seem to marry Asian girls and start another family in their 40's. Other guys love working away as it means no responsibility to their kids each night. With their mates having a beer after work. Come back home for a week and throw the mum and kids routine out and the mrs can't wait for him to leave again.
I'm a strong believer if you love your wife. Don't do FIFO. I did it for 5 years and it set me up for life. No way I was going to be one of the lifers up there.
 
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Contrarian

Justlookin, I knew a few, not many, FIFO workers. Congratulations on being one of the realistic and sober ones with a plan. Well done!
 

svengali

Foundation Member
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Amen, Justlookin.

In my former profession I met quite a few young guys in the mining industry before F.I.F.O became the norm. Then, as now, they were skilled tradies living in pretty ordinary conditions and working long hours to get some serious coin behind them.

The smart ones squirreled the cash away and within a few years had enough to move back to civilisation and a more regular job, buy a house and generally set themselves up for life. The dumb ones, and there were quite a few of them, spent like drunken sailors and all they had to show for it at the end was a fancy car and a stuffed liver.

Planning, discipline and staying out of the wet mess are the key.
 
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Jessica

It takes its toll emotionally, the isolation, and lack of natural love and affection. I think theyre " out of balance" relationships. I have heard both sides - the pros and the cons...I have done it - once or twice - But it doesnt work for me...lifes too short and Id rather have the quality than the quantity.
 
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Jessica

one thing I do know is when the FIFO s come in ,theyre horny as a cut snake.
 
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Jazzmine

Can join the new fangled Cuddle Parties!! No sex just people that cuddle lol

I wouldnt want to be attached at the hips unless that attachment involves sexual stimulation ;)

Really? Cuddle Parties?? Hmmm crazy, not sure how I'd cope with 'just cuddles' :p
 
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Contrarian

Mining wives bear brunt of rise in domestic violence

Cathy O'Leary Medical Editor, The West Australian

Women's refuges have reported a surge in demand from the abused partners of men who are fly-in, fly-out workers or employed on working visas.

Angela Hartwig, from the Women's Council for Domestic and Family Violence Services, said there had been a marked increase in women with partners on skilled migration or temporary work visas who were seeking help because of domestic violence. She said FIFO families were an "emerging issue".

One of Perth's biggest women's refuges, run by the Salvation Army, said FIFO work was having a significant effect on family relationships and in some cases led to domestic violence. An even bigger problem was related to men coming into Australia on working visas.

Spokesman Warren Palmer said the Graceville refuge, which can take up to 40 women and children a day, was having to deal with many frightening and complex cases involving distressed women and children.

"Much of what is seen currently relates to the stream of people coming into Australia on working visas working in a variety of roles being professional, skilled or unskilled," he said.

There were often lifestyle changes for families which, coupled with unusual working patterns, caused relationship problems.

"We are seeing an increase in the type of cases where women and children seek to escape domestic violence, with many being recent arrivals in Australia," he said. "They often feel isolated, not knowing who to turn to for help."

Mr Palmer expected cases of domestic violence and the breakdown of relationships to place services under growing pressure.

The Australian Medical Association said the trends highlighted how changing work patterns and the use of foreign workers who were not properly supported could spill over into marital problems and domestic abuse.

WA president Richard Choong said many people chased the high wages of FIFO work but some did not appreciate the social impact.

"There are circumstances where FIFO workers come back and demand certain things of their partners and if that's not met, there can be a lot of frustrations that spill out," he said.

Dr Choong said mining companies had a responsibility to do more to support workers and families.

For help, phone the Women's Domestic Violence Helpline 1800 007 339.
 

crazyhorse71

Gold Member
Points
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What's the great Australian dream?
To own a big mcmansion in the burbs?
When your'e mortgaged to the hilt and ever rising costs of living in Perth FIFO work is sometimes the only option.
 
C

Contrarian

crazyhorse, surely the answer if one wants to earn the big australian dream is to work your way up the way many of the older generation did then? buy a small place/flat, do a lot of diy - as time goes on, you upgrade or add an extension. Whatever you can't buy on savings you do without etc. If you plan a mcmansion right away based on a income that's prone to more market swings than others or causes you and your relationship distress then surely it's time for you to reassess your priorities - no?
 

svengali

Foundation Member
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Contrarian is right on the money. The single most important lesson people of all levels of income need to learn is to live within their means. Anyone working in, say, construction where there may be a gap between one project fnishing and another starting should build savings into their budget so that there is cash available during any gap in earning.

A few other helpful habits are:

Credit cards -
This is money too and everything put on the plastic has to be paid for from earnings. Limit your spending to what you can clear every statement day. If you can't do this the interest will slay your budget.

Gadgets-
Do you really need the latest electronic I-toy or the other stuff which is constantly being upgraded.

Housing loans:
Borrow well within your repayment capacity with a view to upgrading later if necessary and leaving some cash to spare for emergencies. Don't saddle yourself with onerous repayments. Remember the lesson of the eighties when interest rates doubled over a 3 year term (thank you Mr Keating).

Health insurance:
Get it Don't kid yourself it won't happen to me because it damn well can and even a minor operation like pinning a busted ankle will make a few years premiums look like pocket change.

House and car insurance:
See above.

Cars:
The young man's achilles heel. Buy what you need and can afford not a showy piece of luxury metal which will depreciate faster than almost anything else you own.

Superannuation:
Like insurance, get it and get it started early - it is time in the market rather than timing the market which matters. This is the miracle of compounding interest. Banks use it against you with home loans but this is your chance to get it working for you. The earlier you start the smaller the weekly sum needed to get a big payout when you are ready to retire. There is no doubt that qualifying for a Government pension is only going to get tougher so look out for yourself while you are able to.
 

crazyhorse71

Gold Member
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crazyhorse, surely the answer if one wants to earn the big australian dream is to work your way up the way many of the older generation did then? buy a small place/flat, do a lot of diy - as time goes on, you upgrade or add an extension. Whatever you can't buy on savings you do without etc. If you plan a mcmansion right away based on a income that's prone to more market swings than others or causes you and your relationship distress then surely it's time for you to reassess your priorities - no?

Todays generation don't think like the baby boomers did.
They don't want to wait, they want it now.
 
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