Boys being boys...

[billybones]

Is it a simple case of boys being boys or is it simply wrong??...


Looks like some more of our Army men are in trouble for photos that are meant to be degrading towards women.
Since we have people on the forum with a wide range of fetishes I thought I`ld ask..

Just what do you find to be too degrading for a man or women??

Is this just a case of boys being boys??

 

[Contrarian]

To me, there are images and aspects which change over time and a lot depends on the audience. In 1992, there was a big hoo hah about some easily available trashy gossip magazine because it had a woman model on all fours, posing with a collar. It was seen as degrading and calls were made for even ladies mags to be put in plastic wrapping.

For a straight guy like me - one who hadn't been exposed to the varieties practiced in the world of sex, I did find it confronting - not realizing that that sort of stuff is a regular occurence in the world of bdsm. Now, many people are aware of such things, I don't think there'd be such a big deal made of it especially if it was all done by consenting adults.

Boys may be boys - but men are supposed to be grownups who aren't boys any longer - they carry guns and are meant to defend or attack, easily said, not easily done. You are deemed to be mature enough to behave and reflect that maturity.

A picture of a woman in pantaloons would be regarded as saucy and somewhat disgusting in the 1920s- not these days, if anything it could be someone's kink. I guess the point is - images and acceptance change with time.

Now - the issue of degrading. I think one way as a criteria would be "How would I feel if that's my sister or mother being portrayed?". It suddenly takes on a whole new perspective doesn't it?

And then you may well ask, "if it's not good enough to degrade my sister or mother then why is it okay to degrade someone else's?". Secondly, we need to ask ourselves if a woman would feel uncomfortable about that. And if that organization has women in it - then that needs to be catered for. "Boys will be boys" is too easy a cop out.

People look up to men and they look up to soldiers. And if this is a culture that has also led to harrasment and bullying of women which places like the Army and Navy is trying to stamp out - then it's not on. It's especially not on in an organization run along disciplinary lines and trying to polish up a tarnished image. My 0.02 euros worth.

 

[Rochelle]

AAAhhhhhhh society still has some serious growing up to do. Why does everything that involves males and females has to end up sexualised?
'Boys being Boys' doesn't cut it for me.......it can be used as an excuse for nearly everything.


R.xxxxxxx

 

[Happy2]

But when a Boys being boys video or something is made If it is meant to be kept in house Why must someone Steal it and show it to the world Look Look how bad these boys are

5 or so years ago a group of footballers made a skit for there own entertainment involving a frozen chook and a barbie doll
It was silly and tasteless But a female staff member took the video and gave it to a TV station Scandal was the headline and several members of the team including the captain were dragged to all the radio stations and tv shows to apologise Even on to the Footy Show Now that I found ironic apologising for a tasteless joke on that show

 

[Contrarian]

I'm not sure if Billy is referring to the current case which goes a lot more than that - they were emails, there were apparently senior officers involved who should have known better given the rules have been in place for quite some time.

Also, what if a woman stumbled upon it - if she's outraged, she has every right to seek redress. The tv station publicizing it - well, that's another repeatedly told story about the frivolity of the media.

 

[Sammi1974]

I have to agree with Contrarian

Now - the issue of degrading. I think one way as a criteria would be "How would I feel if that's my sister or mother being portrayed?". It suddenly takes on a whole new perspective doesn't it?

And then you may well ask, "if it's not good enough to degrade my sister or mother then why is it okay to degrade someone else's?". Secondly, we need to ask ourselves if a woman would feel uncomfortable about that. And if that organization has women in it - then that needs to be catered for. "Boys will be boys" is too easy a cop out.

The article states

"There are victims of this group's alleged behaviour who have been denigrated in different ways," he said.
"Some through texts, some through distortion of imagery, some through the distribution of material without consent."

Would you want your sister or mother to be harassed in the work place?
Would you like it if your sister or mothers image was distorted and sent around for everyone to comment on?
Lastly what if your sister or mother was filmed having consensual sex, and then it was uploaded or emailed to men without their knowledge?

Now what you get up to in your own home is entirely up to you, but once you start to disseminate those items through email and text to work colleagues etc, your looking for trouble.

Its' also an entirely different matter as I see it, if someone chooses to produce media with that content in it, providing they do so willingly and approve it to be disseminated to the public.

Now if they sent items through there WORK computers, emails and phones, well then that's just STUPID

 

[svengali]

According to the "West" today there are possibly 100 or more soldiers of various ranks up to a Lt Colonel involved in this latest scandal.

I would guess some heads are going to roll as the armed services are already under a cloud and this suggests things are not improving. In these days of instant communication this kind of conduct goes beyond stupid and anyone that dumb shouldn't be in the military.

 

[Langtrees VIP 6]

I agree that in these time people don't know where to draw the line because everything that is portrayed to us through social media seem to be created for shock factor and over time we all have in some way have ignored or added to it.

Contrarian you always make interesting reading. I like that you analyse and view the topic in all its aspect and even though people will have they different views you create a platform for that.

 

[fifoboy]

It's a case of shockingly bad judgement, it's not what diggers deserve from their officers. CoA is not happy and these guys will be updating their linkedin profile and looking through Seek at the moment, looking for their next career.