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Dr Cat Pausé believes fat sex should be part of normal daytime viewing. Source: Supplied

REMEMBER that time you saw those two fat people having sex on TV? No you don’t because fat people are rarely depicted having sex anywhere in the mainstream media.

But Dr Cat Pausé, a senior lecturer and fat studies researcher at Massey University in New Zealand, thinks that given how many of us are overweight, fat sex should be normal daytime viewing.

“Guess what? Fat people do have sex and a lot of them have really hot sex,” she says.

Dr Cat Pausé, who describes herself as “super fat,” has just written a chapter for an upcoming book about fat sexuality called Fat sex: New directions in theory and activism.

During her research Dr Pausé found fat sexuality was generally treated with “disgust” in popular culture and attraction to fat bodies was seen as “deviant” by some academics.

“The scholarship that exists around fat sex is primarily obesity research that is saying, ‘Right, so how does how does being fat ruin someone’s sex life?’” Dr Pausé says.



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Dr Cat Pausé believes overweight people should celebrate their sexuality. Source: Supplied



She takes a wildly different approach to the issue, arguing we shouldn’t “exclude part of the population from taking part in a healthy, normal aspect of what it means to be human because of their size.”

Dr Pausé says that on both the big and small screen fat, people are often relegated to “sidekick” roles, but instead should be portrayed as “protagonists and heroines.”

“I’d very much like to see fat bodies simply included in everyday representation.

“I think that would help slowly change the culture,” she says.

“Even if being fat is the absolute worst thing in the world morally, health-wise … why does that then mean that fat people are deserving of less human dignity and less human respect?” she continues.

Dr Pausé is part of a growing worldwide fat acceptance movement that aims to see fat people treated equally in every aspect of life.



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Harlotte Bronte celebrates her sexuality in the Melbourne Burlesque troop Va Va Boombah. Photo: Georgia LaughtonSource: Supplied



Va Va Boombah Fat Burlesque is a Melbourne-based performance group that kicked off three years ago with the aim of giving fat bodies more representation.

Lisa-Skye, Co-Artistic Director of Va Va Boombah, says the mainstream media deals with the issue of fat sexuality “poorly” and her group seeks to address this.

“We embrace body diversity. All bodies are sexy, and all bodies are capable of wonderful things.

“The dimensions don’t matter. It’s how you feel inside your shell,” she says.



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Va Va Boombah’s Lisa-Skye. Photo: Georgia LaughtonSource: Supplied

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The sexy ladies from Va Va Boombah. Photo: Georgia Laughton Source: Supplied



But not everyone wants to throw their arms around the notion of fat acceptance. The World Health Organisation labels our widening girths as a “global obesity epidemic” and states on it’s website that “2.8 million people die each year as a result of being overweight or obese.”

Those obesity statistics are largely based on a measure called “Body Mass Index” or BMI, a nearly 200-hundred-year-old formula that is now used to calculate a person’s healthy weight.

However, BMI is coming under increasing criticism as a measure of health. Dr Pausé is among those who believe it is “methodologically flawed.”

“In the last hundred years, as a population, we’ve gotten heavier through technology and better nutrition.

“And if we were using the BMI as a normal representation of the population like it was designed to be, as we got heavier, it would have changed to reflect that,” she says.

Dr Pausé also points to a growing body of research outlining the so-called “obesity paradox”. On the one hand being overweight may increase your risk of serious diseases such as cancer, diabetes and heart disease. On the other hand a few extra kilos may actually help you fight and survive chronic illness.

According to the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare, 3 in 5 Australian adults are considered overweight or obese. Is it weird then that we don’t want to watch fat people — like ourselves — having sex on TV or in films?

Dr Cat Pausé says no, it’s not.

“Fat people are just as likely to hold anti-fat attitudes as non-fat people because they grew up in a fat-hating culture … it’s not something that you can just turn off,” she says.

Anti-fat attitudes extend far beyond sexuality, influencing “employment opportunities, educational opportunities and housing opportunities,” Dr Pause says.

Dr Pausé hasn’t jumped on the scales for some time but estimates her weight to be about 140 kilos. This means she has copped her fair share of scorn and abuse, including strangers snickering and sneering in public, taking photos of her while she is eating and mooing at her from passing cars.

One man even brushed past her on a busy footpath and yelled out: “Hey, fat f***!”

Given the stigma and “concern” from family and friends, Dr Pausé says accepting her body was a “process.”

“I think that is really hard especially for women of all sizes, right? It’s not just fat women that experience body-image dissatisfaction,” she says.

“Regardless of what my size was, I had to learn to be comfortable and happy with my body before I could be comfortable and happy with being a sexual being and engaging in sexual activity,” says Dr Pausé.

And no matter what you think about the politics of fat activism, body acceptance is something we can all strive for.

Fat Sex: New Directions in Theory and Activism is coming out in July with Ashgate Press.

Follow Ginger Gorman on twitter @freshchilli



Dr Cat Pausé on her fat-positive radio show, Friend of Marilyn
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I feel a little uncomfortable (maybe feeling "odd") about the article:

1.) I always thought we have to be careful with the word "fat". Although some people are okay with it. But there are lots of people against the use of this particular word. (Personally, I don't think it is "right" to describe a person with the use of this particular word. Under what condition(s) can a person be classified as "fat"???)

2.) Looking at the number of w/l who called themselves "bbw". Clearly there is a demand and we don't need a Dr. to tell us about sex vs the size of a person. We know everyone (at least most people) enjoy a bit of sex regardless of their body shape. (common sense)
From my experience, I always enjoy my time with a bbw (actually any lady) as long as we "click".
In fact, the lady can be bigger, slim, mature...(whatever)..it is more important to have nice a personality and respect.

Research on a topic that can be answer with common sense ??? + using a "catchie" word such as "fat" to make the article more "stand out" ???

I feel that it is more like a newspaper article than a university study. (Maybe that's just me)
 

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I feel a little uncomfortable (maybe feeling "odd") about the article:

1.) I always thought we have to be careful with the word "fat". Although some people are okay with it. But there are lots of people against the use of this particular word. (Personally, I don't think it is "right" to describe a person with the use of this particular word. Under what condition(s) can a person be classified as "fat"???)

2.) Looking at the number of w/l who called themselves "bbw". Clearly there is a demand and we don't need a Dr. to tell us about sex vs the size of a person. We know everyone (at least most people) enjoy a bit of sex regardless of their body shape. (common sense)
From my experience, I always enjoy my time with a bbw (actually any lady) as long as we "click".
In fact, the lady can be bigger, slim, mature...(whatever)..it is more important to have nice a personality and respect.

Research on a topic that can be answer with common sense ??? + using a "catchie" word such as "fat" to make the article more "stand out" ???

I feel that it is more like a newspaper article than a university study. (Maybe that's just me)

I really like the points you made. You're right it is uncomfortable to use the word fat- because we've been subliminally conditioned to buy into social stereotypes about what being fat means.

Whatever the worth of the article, it is right in the sense that the realistic respresentation of all body types and particularly non super model types (male and female) are not commonly depicted in a sexualized way.

The extension of this is that people start disassociating within themselves and relationships- internalizing the common belief that they aren't allowed to have imitate relationships- because they aren't worthy of them.

You talk about the benefit of the marketability of the BBW w/l but In the same context it is the larger set clients that benefit from the ability to have access to a sex service that extends the human sexual experience to include them, where they may have been forgotten in society.

I believe in promoting positive body image as well as promoting healthy lifestyle choices. They go hand in hand really.
 

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I often wonder about the pure logistics of two obese people having sex...

Also what size does a lady have to be to be classed as a bbw? (teehee, my phone auto corrected that to bbq, lucky I checked it!)
 

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I really like the points you made. You're right it is uncomfortable to use the word fat- because we've been subliminally conditioned to buy into social stereotypes about what being fat means.

Whatever the worth of the article, it is right in the sense that the realistic respresentation of all body types and particularly non super model types (male and female) are not commonly depicted in a sexualized way.

The extension of this is that people start disassociating within themselves and relationships- internalizing the common belief that they aren't allowed to have imitate relationships- because they aren't worthy of them.

You talk about the benefit of the marketability of the BBW w/l but In the same context it is the larger set clients that benefit from the ability to have access to a sex service that extends the human sexual experience to include them, where they may have been forgotten in society.

I believe in promoting positive body image as well as promoting healthy lifestyle choices. They go hand in hand really.

I think a person is a person no matter what they look like, and no a "fat" or "larger" person should not be humiliated for their size, as we do not humiliate "anorexic" people for being too thin. I have experienced personal attack on the forum because of my weight issues; and to see that people can unnessecarily criticize someone because of their weight, or appearance makes me feel very uncomfortable. Thats not fair to judge. I think some peoples comments may not be intended to offend, but im just saying its not really a nice thing to see on here. No offence to anyone.
 

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I often wonder about the pure logistics of two obese people having sex...

Also what size does a lady have to be to be classed as a bbw? (teehee, my phone auto corrected that to bbq, lucky I checked it!)


The logistics of obese people having sex??? what do you mean?? do you think they cant?? because that would just be silly... FAT people Can have sex.. AND saying that the ability to have access to a sex service that extends the human sexual experience to include them, where they may have been forgotten in society is not right,,, believe it or not some people prefer FAT/OBESE people just like someone may prefer a blonde to a brunette...
 

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Firstly I don't like the word 'fat', obese is a more appropriate word to use. I also feel a bit uncomfortable about this article, I get that obesity is a problem in society, but I don't know why the logistics of obese people needs to be brought up in the below comments.

I honestly don't think being obese would ruin anyone's sex life, however everyone is worthy of a happy relationship no matter what size they are.

Whoever wrote the article interviewing Dr Cat Pausé didn't do this topic any favors. Because it makes obese people sound bad for having sex, I don't see a positive aspect within this article.
 
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I truly meant no offense with my comment. Of course people of all shapes, sizes and persuasions have sex. People have sex. Everyone should have more of it! More sex! I was just thinking with my mind in the gutter as usual, about bits going into other bits and angles and stuff.
 

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I really love this post, Tania, and the fact that it has opened up an avenue for discussion.

Personally, I also dislike the word "fat" (or anything similar for that matter) when describing people, purely because I think labeling anyone as anything is wrong. I have fat, that doesn't make me fat. I also have fingernails, but I am not a fingernail. I think society needs to stop making people feel like they need to fit into a certain category. Human's are far too complex to be grouped together by such trivial things, such as appearance.

That being said, I think reading too much into the wording of this article can take away from the point the writer intended, which can be summed up by the last line in the post: "And no matter what you think about the politics of fat activism, body acceptance is something we can all strive for.".

Anything written with the intention/possibility of changing someone's (usually warped) perception of themselves is more than okay with me.
 
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I really love this post, Tania, and the fact that it has opened up an avenue for discussion.

Personally, I also dislike the word "fat" (or anything similar for that matter) when describing people, purely because I think labeling anyone as anything is wrong. I have fat, that doesn't make me fat. I also have fingernails, but I am not a fingernail. I think society needs to stop making people feel like they need to fit into a certain category. Human's are far too complex to be grouped together by such trivial things, such as appearance.

That being said, I think reading too much into the wording of this article can take away from the point the writer intended, which can be summed up by the last line in the post: "And no matter what you think about the politics of fat activism, body acceptance is something we can all strive for.".

Anything written with the intention/possibility of changing someone's (usually warped) perception of themselves is more than okay with me.
A well written piece Ziggy...I agree completely. I didn't misread the article either...purely an article to open discussion of body acceptance . What makes this world so interesting is how different we all are and beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder NOT what we are subliminally told to see as beautiful. I also prefer to use the describing word as opposed to the label.
 

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The logistics of obese people having sex??? what do you mean?? do you think they cant?? because that would just be silly... FAT people Can have sex.. AND saying that the ability to have access to a sex service that extends the human sexual experience to include them, where they may have been forgotten in society is not right,,, believe it or not some people prefer FAT/OBESE people just like someone may prefer a blonde to a brunette...

Maybe they haven't been forgotten in a literal sense, but in an industry where not many people get a proper insight into the ongoings, and society has set a certain representation of sex workers standards (I understand that the media is not an accurate portrayal of WL's), I imagine it could feel very inclusive, especially if you are outside of society's "norm".

I feel like more often than not, people let their own views of themselves determine the way they interact and relate to other people. I believe it would be very hard to let go of the beauty standards we are set on a daily basis (which, by the way, are impossible to obtain!), and envision that people are actually capable of seeing past what's on the outside, so I can totally see how somebody could feel excluded or "forgotten".
 

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Been plowing through this trying to find where I gave the impression that I was trying to humiliate :confused:

or perhaps its my writing style that is hard to decipher through the internet :confused:

But then, I also didn't read that article all that negatively, and I'm wondering if maybe I'm an insensitive :asshat:

There seems to be a strong reaction to the use of the word "fat" which I get. I hate being asked how far along I am... I have my own body issues, and they didn't cause me to read this article in the way I feel some people here may have... or how they may have interpreted my comments.

I agree that things that generate discussion and debate, shed light on a topic and maybe even demystify can be a good thing.

My comments about people being forgotten- is not to say they have - but in regard to the way they may feel, by not being able to relate, not feeling represented. I know that I constantly feel that way. I can only imagine it's possible that others might.

There are many people who feel this way from all walks of life, particularly racial and socioeconomic backgrounds....but what I have noticed is that Body Shaming is a big deal.

I'm just curious why this article about a Dr who is self declared "super-fat" talking about raising awareness about body positivity negative?

Is it because of the word fat?
 

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I really love this post, Tania, and the fact that it has opened up an avenue for discussion.

Personally, I also dislike the word "fat" (or anything similar for that matter) when describing people, purely because I think labeling anyone as anything is wrong. I have fat, that doesn't make me fat. I also have fingernails, but I am not a fingernail. I think society needs to stop making people feel like they need to fit into a certain category. Human's are far too complex to be grouped together by such trivial things, such as appearance.

That being said, I think reading too much into the wording of this article can take away from the point the writer intended, which can be summed up by the last line in the post: "And no matter what you think about the politics of fat activism, body acceptance is something we can all strive for.".

Anything written with the intention/possibility of changing someone's (usually warped) perception of themselves is more than okay with me.

Great reply! Correct, Ziggy - people aren't fat, they have fat. I like the fingernail comment. I have pubes (sometimes) but am definitely not a pube. However I've been called much worse! :hurting:
 

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Been plowing through this trying to find where I gave the impression that I was trying to humiliate :confused:

or perhaps its my writing style that is hard to decipher through the internet :confused:

But then, I also didn't read that article all that negatively, and I'm wondering if maybe I'm an insensitive :asshat:

There seems to be a strong reaction to the use of the word "fat" which I get. I hate being asked how far along I am... I have my own body issues, and they didn't cause me to read this article in the way I feel some people here may have... or how they may have interpreted my comments.

I agree that things that generate discussion and debate, shed light on a topic and maybe even demystify can be a good thing.

My comments about people being forgotten- is not to say they have - but in regard to the way they may feel, by not being able to relate, not feeling represented. I know that I constantly feel that way. I can only imagine it's possible that others might.

There are many people who feel this way from all walks of life, particularly racial and socioeconomic backgrounds....but what I have noticed is that Body Shaming is a big deal.

I'm just curious why this article about a Dr who is self declared "super-fat" talking about raising awareness about body positivity negative?

Is it because of the word fat?

I didn't find that it was written to humiliate at all - the writer describes herself a "super fat" anyway, it's the same as a black person calling themselves black all the time. Nothing wrong with it. Judging by people's sensitivity, I should also pout out that the black comment was not intended to be racist at all! :)
 
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People are super sensitive these days and just about everything has to be PC (politically correct). I personally have no problem using the word fat... if someone is visibly overweight then yeah... they are fat.. just like if someone is blind they are blind not visibly impaired.. get what im saying. It just blows me away the attitude some people have. i know its hard to tell how someones is meaning something to sound when your reading it but really Do people actually think that two Fat people are unable to have sex?? Sure they may not be as athletic as skinny people but i'm pretty sure they can get there business done! Having sex with a Fat person is not everyones cup of tea but it is for some. Not all Fat people are ashamed of there size so you cant pigeon hole a certain type of person and think they may get forgotten by society because of there size.. There are some very beautiful Fat people around just like there are beautiful people with skin conditions etc.
Fat people don't need pity they just need to be treated like a normal person. Its not a Humiliating story,, i believe its pretty spot on. You know what they say... Opinions are like Assholes, everyone has one. I think its great everyone does.
 

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Pick me, pick me! Reduced rates for anything Star Wars related ;);)

Sorry it was a quip, Sure the metal bikini is a fantasy (as it is of any nerd) but I dislike the idea of being choked to death. Also quite broke right now :p
 

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Having been obese and on the receiving end of rejection because of it, i can relate to wanting to be accepted. I can also relate to Jaz's comment about logistics which knowing Jaz was not meant in an offensive way as from a personal situation trying to have sex is not easy when you cannot get the bits close enough or in far enough to do much. I am no longer obese or consider myself fat and i feel lucky to be able to enjoy life the way i want to, but i still remember the scorn and the looks of inconsiderate people.
 
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