Natural french and its risks.

[Mary Anne PA]

Okay, everybody in Sydney is doing Natural French and the guys now expect it. Everyone in Perth is asking for natural French and even going further and asking to come in the mouth.

I said I was going to start a friendly debate on this after the thread on Amy from Gosnells which didn;t get a comeback afte rmy comments.

I have always been unsure about this natural french thing as I couldn never understand why it wouldn't be the same doing french to doing sex without a condom. But then maybe back a while ago it wasn't a problem. But now, with more than usual STI's - is it?

I'd like your opinions please both women and men as to why you either provide that service with what knowledge you have to do so and from guys as to why you damn well expect it and further still with this CIM (cum in mouth) service without any thought to STI's - your risk or the girls risk itself. And I have seen posts on other forums about a guy who wont see a girl unless she does provide that service so would hate to see what he's carrying around on his dick.

I did a bit of research at Magenta on Chlamydia as this oen comes to mind when I heard there is a lot of throat chlamydia going around and wondered if it was due to Natural French.

Well give me your honest thoughts and hope everyone ahs the guts to post and be honest and below is the information I found on Chlamydia and how you can catch it - bearing in mind that sometimes you can't tell you have it for a couple of months or maybe even if someone else has it. I believe health implications can be sterility by the way as well. So no kids if you ahven;t had any yet.
Here's the information...
and please join in the conversation...
thanks




Chlamydia
Chlamydia is the most common sexually transmissible infection (STI) in Australia, particularly among young men and women, with more than half of cases occurring in the 15 to 25 age group. As many people don’t realise they are infected, chlamydia can be easily passed on through unprotected sex.

There were more than 35,000 new cases of chlamydia reported in 2004*.

Cause
Chlamydia is caused by a bacterium called Chlamydia trachomatis.

It can infect the urethra, cervix (entrance to the womb) and rectum in women, and the penis and rectum in men. It can also infect the throat in both men and women.

Symptoms
Many people (between 50 and 75%) with chlamydia experience no symptoms at all. Where symptoms are present, they can take some time to develop.

The majority of women experience no symptoms. Others sometimes notice:

Unusual vaginal discharge
A burning sensation when urinating
Painful sex
Abnormal vaginal bleeding eg at unexpected times or heavier/more painful than usual
Vaginal itching/soreness
Lower abdominal pain.
Men are more likely than women to experience symptoms. Symptoms can include:

Pain when urinating
A discharge from the penis
Itching inside the urethra
Pain in the testicles or rectum
Pain with ejaculation.
Both men and women may experience a sore throat if the throat area is infected with chlamydia.

How is it transmitted?
Chlamydia is transmitted through an exchange of body fluids (semen, blood and vaginal fluids) during unprotected vaginal, anal or oral sexual activity.

Chlamydia can also be spread from a mother with chlamydia to her baby at birth.

It can’t be caught from sharing towels, toilet seats or swimming pools.

How do I know if I have it?
The only way to know for sure if you have chlamydia is to get tested by a doctor. If you have no symptoms, a urine test is usually all that is required, though a vaginal swab is often still recommended for women (you can take this yourself if you feel more comfortable). Where a man has symptoms such as discharge from the penis, swabs are taken of the discharge and possibly from the opening at the end of the penis. More information about STI testing

Your doctor may also test for gonorrhoea, as it is often present at the same time as chlamydia.

It is important to remember that a Pap smear only tests for changes to the cervix, and not for STIs. It is possible, however, to be tested for STIs at the same time as your Pap smear - talk to your clinician for more details.

Treatment / Management
Treatment for early chlamydia usually involves a single dose of antibiotics, however more advanced cases (causing symptoms of pain or discharge) may require a longer course.

Sex should be avoided for one week after treatment and retesting for chlamydia after treatment is advisable. Reinfection from untreated partners is quite common, therefore all sexual partners should be tested and treated also.

Why is treatment important?
If chlamydia is left untreated it can lead to infertility in both men and women.

For women, the most serious danger from chlamydia is that it can spread into the fallopian tubes and cause pelvic inflammatory disease (blocked tubes).

In men, inflammation of the epididymis (the thin tube leading from the testes to the vas deferens where the sperm mature) may develop causing it to become painful and swollen. This can lead to infertility if left untreated.

Having chlamyida also increases your chances of contracting other infections, such as HIV.

Prevention
Using condoms and dams reduces the risk of contracting chlamydia (a dam is a thin latex square held over the vaginal or anal area during oral sex). They stop body fluids like semen, blood and vaginal fluids from being exchanged. More information about condoms and dams.

Many people with chlamydia don’t have any symptoms and are therefore unaware of the risk of passing it on. If you’ve had unprotected sex in the past, get tested by a doctor or at FPWA.

 

[troy5]

Hi Serena good topic, I do oral on ladies but they dont like me using dams, I work on the clit , lips and perenium. I dont stick my tongue into the vagina and try to get out of ther quick smart once they blow.Sometimes ive got caught though, when they close their legs around my head.Any suggestions ? Troy.

 

[sexiness]

I would think if you have your mouth near the vagina (including clit, perenium and lips) you will come into contact with vaginal fluids even if a women hasn't come, she extretes fluids with and without arousal and as a natural part of her bodily functions.

I'm not sure there is an alternative to using a dam to lessen the risk other than not doing it. If its someone you know over time, you can have tests and perhaps feel a little safer but there is always a risk

 

[troy5]

Thanks sexiness for reply, im a male escort that does sensual tantric massage,after I finish the massage the woman will become so aroused that all I ever hear them say will you go down on me please ill cum really quick promise.Which they do, its an extra of course but I can make a few bob that way.Will have to think about using dams though,Troy.

 

[westozzywaguy]

idd like to add to this . the other day i was looking on one of the guy web sites after talking to somone about this subject.
and i was shocked to find out that almost 75%of guys on the web forums chat rooms or adds would and do nateral french and bearback sex. i then went on the chat rooms and talked to some guys there and nearly all of them would do nateral sex bb and use no form of protetion at all .i also chatted to marred guys that sead thay love reseving cum analy and would fuck bearback( as thay called it ) with enny guys with in one hour of chatting there were about 5 guys willing to meet up and let me have sex with them with no protction at all.( but i wasent going to meet
them). im thinking that the amount of people as some were young guys 20yo willing to have unsafe sex and old guys mid 50 is incressing and most of this guys are fucking ennyone marred or not . and then having sex with females or there partners.
well all im realy trying to say i realy dident realise the amount of guys willing to let complet strangers have sex with no protetion at all. and the amount of guys on there saying thay have hiv and still willing to have unprotcted sex with enny stranger or ennyone that will meet them . .

 

[aussielids]

Great topic Serena! I personally didn't realise the implications of Chlam. But I'd like to add my two bobs worth on the issue of condoms and dams.

The biggest issue for me is the way it feels. I can't imagine what it would be like to get a BJ with a condom on, and I would have thought it the same for a girl with a dam. It doesn't matter how thin they are, I can only think the sensation wouldn't be anywhere near as nice. Knowing that I haven't experienced a BJ with a condom on means I might be talking total crap, but the difference between using a condom and not using a condom during sex is enough for me to think I might be on the right track.

And then to complicate things, I find the natural taste of a women highly arousing and heightens the excitement of making love. Oral sex just wouldn't be the same or anywhere near as satisfying.

But when it comes to the working girl/guy, I agree the risk is there for them. But it seems the cure is relatively painless with antibiotics once diagnosed. But as Troy5 said, the monetary returns are greater. So maybe the risk is worth it for the pleasure received and money gained? Even knowing that the next client may get infected... Quite controversial I must say!

What do you think?

 

[Mary Anne PA]

How is it transmitted?
Chlamydia is transmitted through an exchange of body fluids (semen, blood and vaginal fluids) during unprotected vaginal, anal or oral sexual activity.

Chlamydia can also be spread from a mother with chlamydia to her baby at birth.

It can’t be caught from sharing towels, toilet seats or swimming pools.

 

[aussie_single34]

Also rampant in the Koala population

Which just goes to prove
Koalas have unprotected sex too

 

[Mary Anne PA]

Not one source, not one substantiated fact.

Australia has less HIV infections per capita than any other nation on earth and that is a fact. And as no one else has I wont bother substantiating the statement.

Speaking for myself I have never met a bi/gay guy that wanted to have unprotected anal. I have also never met a bi/gay guy that wanted to wear protection during oral.
Speaking for myself I find it a waste of time, I have seen working girls that did but would usually tell them not to bother, whats the point?? Cant feel it, most seem to try to compensate with there teeth witch just hurts. I hate oral with a condom. Especially when their then going to let you go down on them anyway! I mean shit!!!

But anyway back to my original point, why isn't the entire gay community of Australia about to fall over dead?

I mean, we all know that they don't often use condoms for oral, so why aren't they all infected with these infections?

Personally I find a good blowjob is the ONLY thing that will make me seek out a working lady these days.

I didn't realise that the most topic of conversations with bi/gay males was about protection. strange... anyway... do you think people just go around talking about this sort of stuff. i don;t think so... why would they.
If you had a STI, would you tell the world.
The people that do get to hear about it or know about it is the clinics and doctors.. and the facts are...
throat chlamyidia is the most popular.. and most recent tractable STI (Is that due to natural french becoming more demandable?)
and having spoken to magenta myself recently also know gonnhorea and syphilus is also contractable by natural french.

So I would really like all you punters who ask for it to give some comments as well as the working girls -
a for or against and for what reasons..

because if it does get more and more popular... then just how bad will these STI's actually become..

and just as a bit of information any unprotected sex is actually illegal and if they legalise the Industry will it become like Queensland where police pretend to be working girls to catch the punters out and book them for asking for natural anything over the phone etc....... as this is what happens over there.

 

[Spunkymunky]

Hmmmmm. I have only slept with a small number of guys but played with a few more and i have never given head with a condom. Then again to be fair, for all but two i was their first. For the other two i took their word at it - not something i will do again. I have had bareback sex with two guys. One was my ex and we were in a long term relationship. One was a more recent "friend" who i trusted in regards to his medical history.
The problem for me is not so much the blowjobs - it's the bareback sex. I am allergic to latex. So if we have sex once its fine. If we go a second time it starts to get uncomfortable, then it gets worse from their.

So as promiscuous as i may want to be.......i much, much prefer sex with partners who i trust, who's medical history i know and who i can go bareback with comfortably.

 

[Spunkymunky]

I would think as a working girl you would WANT to use condoms. You must sleep with a fair few guys and they would have slept with however many women (working or otherwise) and so on.....

 

[Smoggy]

It has become increasingly popular for working ladies to advertise natural french as part of their service to satisfy the demand by their clients. I don't think there is much doubt that for a male natural french is much more satisfying than the covered alternative. However, with the increased pleasure comes a greatly increased risk of picking up something nasty. If a lady offers CIM what does it mean exactly?

Hypothetically, if a male ejaculates 2.5mls of semen at the point of climax and the lady has 3 CIM clients per day, 5 times a week over 35 weeks in a working year. The lady will have had 1.3 litres of semen in her mouth from over 525 clients. Would I be happy being number 526 - I don't think so. How many clients would be infected? If it is 1% it means that 5 infected clients have cum in her mouth.

There is no way that I would go with a lady who offered this service. Its playing russian roulette with your health and sooner or later you will get caught out. For me natural french is something to be shared with your long term partner not a working lady.

 

[beebs]

.... The lady will have had 1.3 litres of semen in her mouth .....

I'm not as hungry as i was before...

 

[asianlover696]

Hahaha...
Every lady would have also had approximately 300L of piss coming out of her pussie the last year, you should keep your tongue in your pocket instead (tongue in cheek)...

 

[vortexxx]

Regarding natural french - i've had it a few times from WL's and really enjoyed it. Of course i'm a bit selective about the girls I do it with - if they look the slightest bit drug affected i'll usually steer well clear.

Whilst we're on the topic of CIM what about facials? I know stacks of guys love giving them (me included). In my travels i've come across (excuse the pun) a few WL's that offer this service - which is great. I'd be surprised if you could actually catch anything from giving a facial (as there's minimal physical contact) - am I naive thinking this? Are facials a common practice out there?

FWIW I don't really subscribe to Moggy's theory. I'd say the chance of something surviving in your mouth for any period of time is pretty slim - regardless of how much (quantitywise) you had in there.

So apart from chlamydia, what other nasties can a guy catch from natural french, CIM or facials? I have to say I haven't really heard of much/any.

 

[asianlover696]

The ultimate in my opinion is a combination of CIM/COF that drips onto the breasts...I've had this a couple of times in Perth with WLs. i believe its part of the standard package in SE Asia but i dont punt in Asia.

 

[Mary Anne PA]

Regarding natural french - i've had it a few times from WL's and really enjoyed it. Of course i'm a bit selective about the girls I do it with - if they look the slightest bit drug affected i'll usually steer well clear.

So apart from chlamydia, what other nasties can a guy catch from natural french, CIM or facials? I have to say I haven't really heard of much/any.

When I checked with magenta, they also said syphillus and ghonnerhea (sorry if misspelt)


this I also found through research on google
http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/AIDS/Hooper03/Hooper03story.html

Oral infection
It has sometimes been claimed that people do not become HIV-infected by the oral route. This is demonstrably wrong, as evidenced by the gay men who became infected after having only oral sex, and by the several recorded instances in which babies seroconverted during infancy - not through contact with HIV-negative mothers, but through being breast-fed by HIV-positive wet nurses. All mucosal cells, including those of the mouth and throat, represent potential portals of entry for the HIVs and SIVs, and the situation is exacerbated if there are oral lesions, such as those caused by teething or mouth ulcers, which lesions are packed with HIV/SIV target cells such as lymphocytes and macrophages. (Macrophages, which - unlike lymphocytes - survive and replicate in culture, look ever more likely to be the key cells in the process of infection through a SIV-contaminated OPV.)

Of course for most of the next one you would be able to see if there were any:

Note: Even when using condoms and dams (a latex sheet used for mouth/vagina oral sex) for protection or when you only get into safer sex activities, sexually transmitted infections (STIs) can still be passed on. Genital warts, genital herpes and other STIs can be passed on during protected sex (sex with a condom) because the condom does not always cover the affected area. Scabies or pubic lice can be passed on just by very close contact.


How are STIs and HIV transmitted?
• STIs and HIV are transmitted during vaginal or anal sex through
blood, semen or vaginal fluids of an infected person entering the
bloodstream of another person.
• STIs may also be passed on by skin-to-skin genital contact.
• Oral sex is relatively safe for HIV, however, STIs like gonorrhoea,
herpes and syphilis can be transmitted by oral sex.
Remember you can have an STI and not show any
symptoms, but still pass them on to other people.


People carry STIs without knowing it.



HIV is commonly transmitted through unprotected sex when there is an exchange of bodily fluids. In your case, a condom was use, so transmission is unlikely to occur.
However, oral sex poses a low risk for HIV but other Sexually Transmitted Infections (STI) such as Gonorrhoea, Herpes and Syphilis can be transmitted through unprotected oral sex.

 

[Mary Anne PA]

som einfo about chlamydia

just so you understand it a bit more... especially the guys demanding natural french and cum in mouth and on face from the girls...................................................................................................................




Chlamydia is a common sexually transmitted disease (STD) caused by the bacterium, Chlamydia trachomatis, which can damage a woman's reproductive organs. Even though symptoms of chlamydia are usually mild or absent, serious complications that cause irreversible damage, including infertility, can occur "silently" before a woman ever recognizes a problem. Chlamydia also can cause discharge from the penis of an infected man.



Chlamydia is the most frequently reported bacterial sexually transmitted disease in the United States. In 2006, 1,030,911 chlamydial infections were reported to CDC from 50 states and the District of Columbia. Under-reporting is substantial because most people with chlamydia are not aware of their infections and do not seek testing. Also, testing is not often done if patients are treated for their symptoms. An estimated 2,291,000 non-institutionalized U.S. civilians ages 14-39 are infected with Chlamydia based on the U.S. National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey. Women are frequently re-infected if their sex partners are not treated.



Chlamydia can be transmitted during vaginal, anal, or oral sex. Chlamydia can also be passed from an infected mother to her baby during vaginal childbirth.

Any sexually active person can be infected with chlamydia. The greater the number of sex partners, the greater the risk of infection. Because the cervix (opening to the uterus) of teenage girls and young women is not fully matured and is probably more susceptible to infection, they are at particularly high risk for infection if sexually active. Since chlamydia can be transmitted by oral or anal sex, men who have sex with men are also at risk for chlamydial infection.


Chlamydia is known as a "silent" disease because about three quarters of infected women and about half of infected men have no symptoms. If symptoms do occur, they usually appear within 1 to 3 weeks after exposure.

In women, the bacteria initially infect the cervix and the urethra (urine canal). Women who have symptoms might have an abnormal vaginal discharge or a burning sensation when urinating. When the infection spreads from the cervix to the fallopian tubes (tubes that carry fertilized eggs from the ovaries to the uterus), some women still have no signs or symptoms; others have lower abdominal pain, low back pain, nausea, fever, pain during intercourse, or bleeding between menstrual periods. Chlamydial infection of the cervix can spread to the rectum.

Men with signs or symptoms might have a discharge from their penis or a burning sensation when urinating. Men might also have burning and itching around the opening of the penis. Pain and swelling in the testicles are uncommon.

Men or women who have receptive anal intercourse may acquire chlamydial infection in the rectum, which can cause rectal pain, discharge, or bleeding. Chlamydia can also be found in the throats of women and men having oral sex with an infected partner.



If untreated, chlamydial infections can progress to serious reproductive and other health problems with both short-term and long-term consequences. Like the disease itself, the damage that chlamydia causes is often "silent."

 

[Minxxy]

I will fess up and say I had chalmydia about... oh six years ago. I caught it from my cheating fiance. So being in a relationship never guarantees protection from STD's.

Now I am a bit more cazh about sex and honestly can say that I dont use condoms with most guys I sleep with. I dont sleep with strangers that often - I mostly sleep with the same guys again and again and call me stupid, but I think we have an element of trust between us. One guy I slept with for two years, we had an agreement that any sex outside of each other would be protected so we knew we could enjoy each other with no condom. Trust most certainly isnt foolproof. I personally get an STD check every six months for my own peace of mind.

On the issue of natural french, I couldnt do it any other way. Condoms taste gross and even blowing a guy after he has taken a condom off is gross. And on women... I cant imagine not tasting a girl as I eat her out...

If I was WL there would be no question though... No condom no sex.

In regard to Serena's comment re how bad will the epidemic become. If 1 in every 4 people gets chlamydia (current stats) and theyre partner gives them oral sex then kisses them after, then I can only imagine it is just a matter of time before oral chalmydia is up there in the numbers too....

 

[DeeAnn D]

Well have been reading this thread with interest I am not a CIM WL I am more your COT cum on tits other words spanish or more plain english good ole fashioned TIT FUCK and at no extra cost either LOL I quite enjoy it and have been asked why my answer is I luv that warm feeling on my boobs apart from that all full sexual penetration is with a condom. Sometime punters will ask can I COT with me its bring it on LOL..Maybe thats why when i look at my boobs in the mirror there glowing afterall you know what they say its supposed to be good for your skin.

 

[PerthGirl]

Great topic Serena.

I am amazed of the number of ladies willing to risk their health to gain a few extra bucks.

I am equally amazed at the line up of guys wanting to be with those ladies.

I am a total safety girl and having worked two years managed to make plenty of money without risking my health or my clients.

Recently we had a new girl join our parlour and on a few occasions was heard boasting about extra money she'd made providing natural services. I asked why she did this out of sheer curiosity and she replied "well it's an extra 200 bucks so why not?". I asked her if she could really put a price on her health and I then found out she was not aware of the dangers involved in giving these services.

Personally, if I couldn't use condoms while providing french I would leave the industry.

I've had some clients ask for natural mid-service and when I say no they say "Cummon! Trust me!". I find this hilarious. No offence buddy but I don't trust you. Do they honestly think because they say trust me I'm going to go "oh ok then!"?

I have also had a few clients ask me for natural french in intros and when I've said 'no way' they say 'right answer' and they stay.

But I have been noticing the increase of clients wanting natural and I find it quite disturbing. I don't want natural french to become a stardard of service in WA like it is in so many other places.

 

[westozzywaguy]

Yes This Tred Is Just Going And Going. Well I Have Somthing Els To Add . I Was Talking To A Guy Last Night And He Has Seen Working Girls Pri Young Girls That Are Willing To Do Full Sevice Nateral. One Was In Malands Out Of A Hotel Motel And The Other Was Somwhere North Of The River. Apparently Thy Would Do Full Sevice Nateral For $100. Extra. So I Am Gessing These Girls Must Be Drug Adicted Or Some Just Realy Dont Know What Thay Are Doing,.

 

[PerthGirl]

Wow.

Maybe there needs to be some re-educating in the industry.

 

[Mary Anne PA]

anyone doing natural sex for any amount of money obviously already has a health problem and doesn't care and of course the guy letting her doing it has probably just signed something akin to a death warrant, as some STI's just never fully go away.
Wonder how they can explain that to the woman they want to marry.. LOL hmmm

Anyway, it is fast becoming an epidemic as guy after guy is asking for natural french. Then to top it off they want it to completion.

This revolts me even in the fact that they don't care about themselves, let alone anyone else they have sex with in their future, or the health of the girl they are requiring it from.

Like I said before, I know there are ladies offering the service, even in the top price bracket and reiterate once again, CHLAMYDIA can go a couple of months without being spotted. How many have partners that they can take this home to and have to explain about it as well. But then its too late and then they are sorry after the fact.

I am not having a go at anybody who does offer the natural french and are careful about who they give it to, but the guys who continuously state they wont see anyone unles they do give that service and do cum in mouth and do swallow is downright disgusting. That is a persons legal right to choose not to do that service and it is also illegal to actually offer that service.

Believe it or not, its illegal for a guy to do natural french on a girl as well.

When they legalise prostitution I say it once again, who is going to be out there pretending to be a working girl to catch the guys on the phones asking for natural anything. These guys will then be prosecuted and fined publicly as they do in Queensland. It will come to here trust me.
Anyone offering a natural service in their advertising is being picked up by the vice squad and followed through with as well.

Girls, don;t let it become an epidemic here, teach the guys why they shouldn;t be doing it, not just say no. Try and get them to understand the benefits of not having it, and the againsts as to why so they can be educated.
And those that demand to have it and will only see those that supply it, can then be not spreading anything around the Industry.

Yes we all know condoms suck, dams sucks and so on. But then so does chlamydia, ghonnorhea and syphillus as well. Probably suck even worse.
Anyone ever had chlamydia of the throat.???

 

[Mary Anne PA]

yep, the risk is the same for both... you said it correctly. and once again, guys don't want to use a dam and wont do it unless its without, so there are some girls who dont offer the natural french either.

My point is that it's been okay up until recently to accept the french with a condom, why is everybody now wanting it without when sexual STI's are more prominent. Don't let it get like Sydney where girls are told you wont get work unless you do natural french.

 

[PerthGirl]

In relation to working ladies using dams:

When I first arrived at my parlour it was pretty much unheard of for ladies to use dams. I was also told by a now retired working woman that it is highly unlikely that you could catch anything from receiving natural french from a client.

In the last year there has been an influx of new ladies starting who use dams and now it seems like just a standard. I've even heard ladies say "She let that guy go down on her without a dam! Yuck!". So it's become looked down apon in a way like the way safety girls talk about people who provide natural french.

So you might just see more and more ladies who insist on using dams Mac'nOphi.

 

[Daintree]

girls n Dams

Am curious to know if working ladies who provide mutual french are usings dams. Im sure a fair few ladies offer this but know of few who use dams. If a client is wearing a condom why expose yourself to unnecessary risk.
We all know that it doesnt matter how clean cut, well dressed someone is they may be the very ones who expose us to an STD and thinking Oh he looks ok shouldnt be a justification.

I have known of ladies who have provided a you are silly on occassion and am disturbed by their lack of respect for themselves and others. You may get that extra 50 bucks but what good is it to you when you get infected with something.

 

[asianlover696]

In relation to working ladies using dams:

When I first arrived at my parlour it was pretty much unheard of for ladies to use dams. I was also told by a now retired working woman that it is highly unlikely that you could catch anything from receiving natural french from a client.

In the last year there has been an influx of new ladies starting who use dams and now it seems like just a standard. I've even heard ladies say "She let that guy go down on her without a dam! Yuck!". So it's become looked down apon in a way like the way safety girls talk about people who provide natural french.

So you might just see more and more ladies who insist on using dams Mac'nOphi.

You got to be kidding, i've punted for 15 years and have never come across a lady who insisted that i used a dam when goingg down on her. it is NOT a common thing in the industry.

the norm is that its ok for a guy to go down on a lady without using a dam, but a condom is used when the lady performs a bj on the guy. where is the logic in this?

i am not one who goes down on every lady that i see, i am very selective on who i go down on and even more selective on whose mouth i stick in without a condom.

YES, bj wihtout a condom is widely available, in particular in sydney, but also in perth.

Personally, i would bypass the bj part if its with a condom. there is little difference when the lady moves up and down the with her lips gribbed on the shaft. the main difference is when she licks he head, under the head, and shaft etc.

there is a risk to very thing we do, being selective can help reduce the risk.

 

[troy5]

Good thread guys,with regard to condoms apart from safety I love em cause I can last a lot longer but thats my job no woman gonna pay me and I only last ten minutes,an orgasm is the required result.Dams are a different story, it will take a bit of educating and a change in attitude. I have tried introducing them but without success,after a tantric massage,the woman is so horny that without fail go down on me is not a request so much as a demand, but I get paid for it and these chicks are usually the ones who havent had an orgasm for yonks, at least oral wise anyway, so im wary of stuffing that up.Maybe I could though,cause I think most of the kick for them is not just the technique I use so much as the physcological trip of been with a male escort. Look forward to dam day though, cheers all, Troy.

 

[SirenGurl]

Natural french is definately a no no! I had this guy who pressured me into doing natural french on me, this asian guy, and he'll pressure and pressure and pressure me, and the booking time would fly and 80% of it was devoted to 'why not', 'why not' and 'why not', should I have a wild guess Serena and say he was from Melbourne? A few days later he made a booking and the receptionist and I went though all the trouble to tell him that I wasn't there, and the next day he made a booking for me again! Fortunately my manager is a one of a kind lady and told him politely to leave. I'm always a believer is in prevention is better than cure!